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<blockquote data-quote="Runestar" data-source="post: 4599790" data-attributes="member: 72317"><p>Everything is relative. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>In a 3.5 one-shot, I once pitted a high lv party against 3 elder elementals, each with 5 lvs of warblade, swordsage and crusader respectively (EL19). My players thought they had the battle in the bag when the 2 casters in the party promptly forcecaged one of the foes and mazed the other. But I fought back by having the mazed elemental iron-heart surge his way out of the maze, shadow blink to the fighter, activate his belt of battle for an extra full-round action, then proceed to initiate time stands still, followed by 2 full-attacks (I think the fighter survived just by a few hp). The other caged elemental too 'ported out of the forcecage, then upped the ante with diamond nightmare blade of his own, for 200+ damage to the cleric (killing him instantly). The 3rd elemental was no slacker, using strike of vitality to heal the majority of its wounds. </p><p></p><p>So yeah, in that 1 round, my players went from confident to crapping in their pants. </p><p></p><p>I probably won't expect to see this sort of scenario in 4e, even with solos using action points to make the equivalent of 2 full attacks against a single PC. </p><p></p><p>As pointed out my Mearls, 4e does away with this sort of "rocket tag" in favour of a slow, gradual decline towards sheer, utter helplessness. Probably for the better, but I still can't stop chuckling whenever I think about it. Definitely one of my more memorable battles.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Runestar, post: 4599790, member: 72317"] Everything is relative. ;) In a 3.5 one-shot, I once pitted a high lv party against 3 elder elementals, each with 5 lvs of warblade, swordsage and crusader respectively (EL19). My players thought they had the battle in the bag when the 2 casters in the party promptly forcecaged one of the foes and mazed the other. But I fought back by having the mazed elemental iron-heart surge his way out of the maze, shadow blink to the fighter, activate his belt of battle for an extra full-round action, then proceed to initiate time stands still, followed by 2 full-attacks (I think the fighter survived just by a few hp). The other caged elemental too 'ported out of the forcecage, then upped the ante with diamond nightmare blade of his own, for 200+ damage to the cleric (killing him instantly). The 3rd elemental was no slacker, using strike of vitality to heal the majority of its wounds. So yeah, in that 1 round, my players went from confident to crapping in their pants. I probably won't expect to see this sort of scenario in 4e, even with solos using action points to make the equivalent of 2 full attacks against a single PC. As pointed out my Mearls, 4e does away with this sort of "rocket tag" in favour of a slow, gradual decline towards sheer, utter helplessness. Probably for the better, but I still can't stop chuckling whenever I think about it. Definitely one of my more memorable battles.:D [/QUOTE]
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