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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SlyFlourish" data-source="post: 4599802" data-attributes="member: 54840">I saw that same danger in the heroic tier as well. Kalarel was a real bad-ass as were most of the elites in that module. As my group has leveled up, though, the battles seem to go more and more in their favor.At epic level, especially if they have Epic Destines, they party has so many ways to overcome damage. Between damage resistance, healing items, and healing powers, I can't find any way to kill off an equally leveled epic-tier dwarf fighter whose trying not to die.Granted a group of guys can do it, but taking the example of the hobgoblin that downed a party member off the surprise round, I can't see a Lich doing that in the epic tier. I did the math and a lich getting the same advantages as the hobgoblin would do about 80 damage to a rogue with about 140 hitpoints. It would seem the only way a lich can really down a character is if he has a big friend with him.I saw that same danger in the heroic tier as well. Kalarel was a real bad-ass as were most of the elites in that module. As my group has leveled up, though, the battles seem to go more and more in their favor.At epic level, especially if they have Epic Destines, they party has so many ways to overcome damage. Between damage resistance, healing items, and healing powers, I can't find any way to kill off an equally leveled epic-tier dwarf fighter whose trying not to die.Granted a group of guys can do it, but taking the example of the hobgoblin that downed a party member off the surprise round, I can't see a Lich doing that in the epic tier. I did the math and a lich getting the same advantages as the hobgoblin would do about 80 damage to a rogue with about 140 hitpoints. It would seem the only way a lich can really down a character is if he has a big friend with him.I was thinking about what sort of brute would work well and I found the level 23 Glabrezou. That guy's a machine of killing. He's got minor action damage dealing effects, big melee attacks, and a fair bit of powerful spells. He seems a lot tougher than the lich one level higher. I think the lich as written is just underpowered.On the movie angle, while the main characters rarely die, there is always an instant-kill threat around. They're either getting shot at or there's some big laser threatening to cut off their nards. One-hit-kill threats are all around, they just don't usually work.</blockquote>

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