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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 4893426" data-attributes="member: 71571">True, but it -was- an important aspect of the campaign-as-written.&nbsp; I mean, they nerfed Create Water just because it was so powerful as it was in second edition.Defilers also assigned a penalty to the attack rolls of creatures around them when they cast spells.&nbsp; Dragons (epic level defilers) actually killed creatures around them for doing so.That ain't flavor text.Few rules changes.&nbsp; I'd do it by having arcane characters choose a preserver or defiler build at the beginning (same way you pick other class features) with benefits for both.&nbsp; Ironicly, 2e Dark Sun had rules for 21-30 which are even better served by Epic Destinies than what they had before.&nbsp; The Divine power source will have to be altered a lot.&nbsp; No Gods, right?&nbsp; And Primal is closer to what the 2e Dark Sun cleric types were up to.&nbsp; But, if they give it more of a primordial feel, then Clerics will translate over perfectly, Paladins and Avengers will replace what was Rangers, and Invokers work as an alternate 'Cleric' as well.And let's face it, Dark Sun -will- have the Epic Destiny 'Primordial' for Clerics of the elements.What was bards can be handled by Rogues or Rangers now, with no real change at all.Dwarves, Elves, Halflings, Half-elves are pretty much what they were... even closer than 2e base.&nbsp; Goliaths make great Half-Giants.&nbsp; Reskin Eladrin away from the fey aspect and give it more of a psionic feel and that'll work well too.But Dark Sun was -hella- different.&nbsp; 4e will have to do some reskinning to accomodate it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 4893426, member: 71571"] True, but it -was- an important aspect of the campaign-as-written. I mean, they nerfed Create Water just because it was so powerful as it was in second edition. Defilers also assigned a penalty to the attack rolls of creatures around them when they cast spells. Dragons (epic level defilers) actually killed creatures around them for doing so. That ain't flavor text. Few rules changes. I'd do it by having arcane characters choose a preserver or defiler build at the beginning (same way you pick other class features) with benefits for both. Ironicly, 2e Dark Sun had rules for 21-30 which are even better served by Epic Destinies than what they had before. The Divine power source will have to be altered a lot. No Gods, right? And Primal is closer to what the 2e Dark Sun cleric types were up to. But, if they give it more of a primordial feel, then Clerics will translate over perfectly, Paladins and Avengers will replace what was Rangers, and Invokers work as an alternate 'Cleric' as well. And let's face it, Dark Sun -will- have the Epic Destiny 'Primordial' for Clerics of the elements. What was bards can be handled by Rogues or Rangers now, with no real change at all. Dwarves, Elves, Halflings, Half-elves are pretty much what they were... even closer than 2e base. Goliaths make great Half-Giants. Reskin Eladrin away from the fey aspect and give it more of a psionic feel and that'll work well too. But Dark Sun was -hella- different. 4e will have to do some reskinning to accomodate it. [/QUOTE]

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