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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 4894223" data-attributes="member: 71571">Well, the thing is, Defilers and Preservers were doing the same things.&nbsp; That's the important point to make.&nbsp; It wasn't that they had different spells, it was that they were using the same spells, but Defilers damned the consequences.The way they handled it in 2e was very simple.&nbsp; Defilers created an area of dead plants around them that got bigger as they cast more spells.&nbsp; In return, they literally needed a quarter less xp than normal wizards to level up.&nbsp; You'd start to see a very real level discreprency very quickly, two levels once you hit level 6, and the defiler would just grow in power from there.The downside, of course, was that there wasn't a single living thing on Athas that didn't want to kill you on sight.But none of that is really 'Wizard' (i.e. arcane controller) specific.&nbsp; It can be applied just as easily to Swordmages, Warlocks, Bards-as-they-are-normally, and Artificers.The reason divine characters have to change is simply because divine magic was strongly elemental based.&nbsp; Picture shugenja from 3e and you get a good idea of what they were doing.&nbsp; The cleric -as-is- doesn't capture that so well.&nbsp; Well, the fighting cleric, maybe, but a laser cleric really doesn't come close.More importantly will be need to fill in certain voids.&nbsp; Templars can be covered&nbsp; by Clerics or Invokers no problem (in fact, they were the closest to 2e clerics).&nbsp; If they elemental up the Divine Classes, then the role Rangers used to have (warriors with elemental magic) would be taken over by Paladins and Avengers, depending on build.&nbsp; Traders, well, they might not make it, and that's fine.&nbsp; Bards in DS were a martial class (if you can believe that) based around poisons.&nbsp; That'd need a new class to capture, some poisoner of foes.&nbsp; (the wierd thing is such a class'd then be able to go back to Eberron and fit in nicely with house Thuranni)&nbsp; The bard class doesn't come close to covering the Athasian Bard's role in things.&nbsp; That said, the 4e bard does have a place somewhere in Dark Sun, can't think of the life of me where exactly but it certainly -fits-.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 4894223, member: 71571"] Well, the thing is, Defilers and Preservers were doing the same things. That's the important point to make. It wasn't that they had different spells, it was that they were using the same spells, but Defilers damned the consequences. The way they handled it in 2e was very simple. Defilers created an area of dead plants around them that got bigger as they cast more spells. In return, they literally needed a quarter less xp than normal wizards to level up. You'd start to see a very real level discreprency very quickly, two levels once you hit level 6, and the defiler would just grow in power from there. The downside, of course, was that there wasn't a single living thing on Athas that didn't want to kill you on sight. But none of that is really 'Wizard' (i.e. arcane controller) specific. It can be applied just as easily to Swordmages, Warlocks, Bards-as-they-are-normally, and Artificers. The reason divine characters have to change is simply because divine magic was strongly elemental based. Picture shugenja from 3e and you get a good idea of what they were doing. The cleric -as-is- doesn't capture that so well. Well, the fighting cleric, maybe, but a laser cleric really doesn't come close. More importantly will be need to fill in certain voids. Templars can be covered by Clerics or Invokers no problem (in fact, they were the closest to 2e clerics). If they elemental up the Divine Classes, then the role Rangers used to have (warriors with elemental magic) would be taken over by Paladins and Avengers, depending on build. Traders, well, they might not make it, and that's fine. Bards in DS were a martial class (if you can believe that) based around poisons. That'd need a new class to capture, some poisoner of foes. (the wierd thing is such a class'd then be able to go back to Eberron and fit in nicely with house Thuranni) The bard class doesn't come close to covering the Athasian Bard's role in things. That said, the 4e bard does have a place somewhere in Dark Sun, can't think of the life of me where exactly but it certainly -fits-. [/QUOTE]

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