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<blockquote data-quote="GoodKingJayIII" data-source="post: 4216091" data-attributes="member: 13804"><p>Hmmm. An interesting topic, for sure.</p><p></p><p>I don't think that this style of play is going to destroy bildungsroman in the way you describe. As I understand it, Bildungsroman is not necessarily about moving from an immature to a mature state, but the process of maturity and the journey towards that change.</p><p></p><p>If we talk about this purely game mechanical terms, this movement from immature to mature state still exists, it's just that the scale is different. Level 1 is still the least mature state a character can be in, level 30 is the most, and truly represents an endpoint for all characters. Instead of fighting 4 kobolds at 1st level, a party might fight 12. You might notice that the curve of power is significantly flattened across the levels, so while power has been increased at first level, what is gained as a character levels appears to have been spaced out more evenly.</p><p></p><p>If we talk about bildungsroman from a narrative perspective, (as I suspect you are really concerned with) PCs may have a few extra powers, but a 1st level character can still be representative of whatever you like. The standard narrative tropes will work just as well in 4e as they have in the past. The talented-but-mercenary youth might start a quest to gather riches and improve his personal power, but his outlook may greatly change as the story progresses. The cleric gifted with tremendous divine power may not really understand that power, and his callowness makes him impressionable to multiple parties, both good and bad. Who will seek to influence him, what will his choices be, and where will those choices take him?</p><p></p><p>At the end of the day, I think the kinds of stories you mention will remain. Perhaps they will look slightly different, but I think the chances of them being swept away by 4e are slim. Rather, as you mention in the beginning of your post, they will undergo and transformation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GoodKingJayIII, post: 4216091, member: 13804"] Hmmm. An interesting topic, for sure. I don't think that this style of play is going to destroy bildungsroman in the way you describe. As I understand it, Bildungsroman is not necessarily about moving from an immature to a mature state, but the process of maturity and the journey towards that change. If we talk about this purely game mechanical terms, this movement from immature to mature state still exists, it's just that the scale is different. Level 1 is still the least mature state a character can be in, level 30 is the most, and truly represents an endpoint for all characters. Instead of fighting 4 kobolds at 1st level, a party might fight 12. You might notice that the curve of power is significantly flattened across the levels, so while power has been increased at first level, what is gained as a character levels appears to have been spaced out more evenly. If we talk about bildungsroman from a narrative perspective, (as I suspect you are really concerned with) PCs may have a few extra powers, but a 1st level character can still be representative of whatever you like. The standard narrative tropes will work just as well in 4e as they have in the past. The talented-but-mercenary youth might start a quest to gather riches and improve his personal power, but his outlook may greatly change as the story progresses. The cleric gifted with tremendous divine power may not really understand that power, and his callowness makes him impressionable to multiple parties, both good and bad. Who will seek to influence him, what will his choices be, and where will those choices take him? At the end of the day, I think the kinds of stories you mention will remain. Perhaps they will look slightly different, but I think the chances of them being swept away by 4e are slim. Rather, as you mention in the beginning of your post, they will undergo and transformation. [/QUOTE]
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