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<blockquote data-quote="Dr. Strangemonkey" data-source="post: 4217618" data-attributes="member: 6533"><p>I think this is almost entirely a matter of convincing yourself.</p><p></p><p>None of the prior editions of DnD really supported the sort of thing you're talking about here.</p><p></p><p>Some classes were better than others for supporting the man off of the street vibe but...</p><p></p><p>Every edition of thief has been an expert in practical anatomy.</p><p></p><p>Every fighter, paladin, and cleric has known how to use plate mail or at least mail from first level onward which should, historically, have immediately forbidden any player from using the 'fresh off the farm' story background.</p><p></p><p>Wizards came closest to utter incompetence at first level, but only if you can accept that any scholar could just happen to learn how to create and direct energy ex nihilo just by being stressed enough to think about it.</p><p></p><p>If you can accept any of those classes as being pre-trained at level 1 then you really shouldn't have any problem with 4E. </p><p></p><p>Whereas I, as a loyal DnD player, have had constant trouble with the converse that a character who had trained for the years it took to fight effectively heavy armor would have no tricks at hand other than 'weapon focus' and 'toughness.' Or that a character who could backstab with such incredible effectiveness would be otherwise less competent at theivery than an urchin should be.</p><p></p><p>Or that wizards would leave the tower at all until level 3. </p><p></p><p>I don't think this edition will support Bildungsroman any worse than any other, but both the paper first level camp and the cloth first level camp will have to do a fair amount of adjusting to a DnD game that looks like it wants to serve both sides well.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>On an unrelated note:</p><p></p><p>D'Artagnan is both an exceptionally competent swordsman and a clear character in a Bildungsroman.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dr. Strangemonkey, post: 4217618, member: 6533"] I think this is almost entirely a matter of convincing yourself. None of the prior editions of DnD really supported the sort of thing you're talking about here. Some classes were better than others for supporting the man off of the street vibe but... Every edition of thief has been an expert in practical anatomy. Every fighter, paladin, and cleric has known how to use plate mail or at least mail from first level onward which should, historically, have immediately forbidden any player from using the 'fresh off the farm' story background. Wizards came closest to utter incompetence at first level, but only if you can accept that any scholar could just happen to learn how to create and direct energy ex nihilo just by being stressed enough to think about it. If you can accept any of those classes as being pre-trained at level 1 then you really shouldn't have any problem with 4E. Whereas I, as a loyal DnD player, have had constant trouble with the converse that a character who had trained for the years it took to fight effectively heavy armor would have no tricks at hand other than 'weapon focus' and 'toughness.' Or that a character who could backstab with such incredible effectiveness would be otherwise less competent at theivery than an urchin should be. Or that wizards would leave the tower at all until level 3. I don't think this edition will support Bildungsroman any worse than any other, but both the paper first level camp and the cloth first level camp will have to do a fair amount of adjusting to a DnD game that looks like it wants to serve both sides well. On an unrelated note: D'Artagnan is both an exceptionally competent swordsman and a clear character in a Bildungsroman. [/QUOTE]
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