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<blockquote data-quote="FourthBear" data-source="post: 4015879" data-attributes="member: 55846">OK, let's try to untangle this:In your first post, you claimed that M_R was making the case for DMs being marginalized in 4e.&nbsp; M_R's post had to do with the amount of time it took to assign abilties to opponents in 3e versus the 4e method.&nbsp; None of this has to do with the quantity of options available, it had to do with the amount of time and the system used in 3e for assigning such options.&nbsp; Nowhere does he reference the amount of options available in either edition, except to note that in 3e you had to reference many PC-like options in splatbooks and the likeWhen I asked what DM marginalization you were seeing M_R making the case for, you talked about opponents now having to obey scripts, something I can't find in M_Rs post at all.Now, apparently the problem is not really the time or method the editions use to assign options (which is what M_R was talking about) OR scripts, it's all about the number of options that the DM has at the table.&nbsp; Which M_R didn't bring up at all in his post.&nbsp; Note that in both cases the M_R talks about, the opponent ends up with the *same* options.&nbsp; It's the manner in which the DM selects those options in 3e versus 4e that he's discussing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FourthBear, post: 4015879, member: 55846"] OK, let's try to untangle this: In your first post, you claimed that M_R was making the case for DMs being marginalized in 4e. M_R's post had to do with the amount of time it took to assign abilties to opponents in 3e versus the 4e method. None of this has to do with the quantity of options available, it had to do with the amount of time and the system used in 3e for assigning such options. Nowhere does he reference the amount of options available in either edition, except to note that in 3e you had to reference many PC-like options in splatbooks and the like When I asked what DM marginalization you were seeing M_R making the case for, you talked about opponents now having to obey scripts, something I can't find in M_Rs post at all. Now, apparently the problem is not really the time or method the editions use to assign options (which is what M_R was talking about) OR scripts, it's all about the number of options that the DM has at the table. Which M_R didn't bring up at all in his post. Note that in both cases the M_R talks about, the opponent ends up with the *same* options. It's the manner in which the DM selects those options in 3e versus 4e that he's discussing. [/QUOTE]

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