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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FourthBear" data-source="post: 4017451" data-attributes="member: 55846"><p>Without the system in front of us, it is difficult to argue this any further.  I believe the system is indeed an attempt to facilitate group play by organizing social encounters in a combat like way to engage the entire group.  I find the claim that DMs can somehow be *called out* and forced to use the encounter system in 4e hard to credit.   As I was saying before, what makes any of this more restrictive than the 3.5e social skill rules?  Under 3.5e, can a player demand to make a Diplomacy check at any time to determine social outcomes?  If that is the way that you interpret the 3.5e rules, then 4e will be limited in the same way.  I don't see why I would be more so, though.  Of course, I've never heard of a group treating the social skills that way, able to somehow override DM's decisions.</p></blockquote><p></p>