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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 4446717" data-attributes="member: 48965">Reynard, I agree with you on this point, and I think it's what makes 4e feel both incomplete, limited and like WotC is being purposefully stingy with material. It's not just firearms.  Numerous threads have popped up about the limited number of classes, rituals (spells), equipment, etc.  It's all these things together  and the fact that they were parsed down from the previous edition that is the bigger overall issue.Can I just ask why, you would rather have them in a supplement.  I mean I'm all for supporting a gaming company, but you're telling me if they said... "Hey everybody's PHB will have firearms in it...except Fallen Seraph's and it will be the same price" ...you would see this as a good thing for you? Where are the rules for building your own traps?  Where are the rules for designing your own classes or balancing powers?  4e breaks certain things down, I'll readily admit that... but it's woefully inadequate about other things, so in my mind it kinda balances out.You know this line... " One of the points the Devs were very adamant about was only including elements that actually worked. No half assed chucking in random stuff that sort of worked." ...is getting real tired real quick.  I mean at what point do you actually say... "Hey, if you don't have the material to fill a $35 to $40 dollar book then don't publish the book till you do.  And no, increasing the font size doesn't make up for it.  IMHO, the 3.5 books had way more in them than the 4e books, it was an all around better deal for it's price and it allowed more information to go in the PHB's.  3.5 PHB ( 320 pgs & smaller font)3.5 DMG (320 pgs & smaller font)3.5 MM ( 320 pgs & smaller font)4e PHB (320 pgs & larger font)4e DMG (224 pgs & larger font)4e MM (288 pgs & larger font)so we've got a net loss of... 960-832= 128 pgs... and this doesn't even take into consideration the amount loss to font size.</blockquote>

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