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Message: <blockquote data-quote="brocktoon" data-source="post: 4448250" data-attributes="member: 11032">That is what you consider indicative? No guns?What about the significant changes in the rules, the preconceptions about classes, non-Vancian casting, races not in the PHB....But that fact the there was not 3" of column space dedicated to providing stats for 4 guns and a katana was what clued you in to the fact that this game was different?If it was all the same, folks would complain- why do we need a new edition (3.0 to 3.5, although I think most folks might admit that they did clean some stuff up, I think we all felt a little burnt), but if you change too much, folks will also complain.The design team made some bold choices, no doubt about it, and could they have included Giff and rules for firearms? Sure, but when Spelljammer4e comes out in 2012, we'll all get that in spades.If you don't like something, that is one thing. But looking for any reason not to like it-"yes the homemade ice cream and pie was very good, but the color of the plate...."There were plenty of changes betwen 2e and 3e, changes that would shake up campaigns if folsk wanted to convert, changes that altered the landscape of the setting and game implicitly through changes in the rules, and no doubt folks did not like some of those changes.</blockquote>