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4E Eberron: Kalashtar = Deva? I disagree.
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<blockquote data-quote="doctorhook" data-source="post: 4699691" data-attributes="member: 58401"><p>Forked from: <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showpost.php?postid=4697727" target="_blank"> Player's Handbook 2: I haz it </a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Exactly.</p><p></p><p>Personally, I think (hope) that Eberron shouldn't (doesn't) equate Devas and Kalashtars, because personally I don't see anything more than a passing similarity between the two races. As I understand it, Devas are meant to be eternally reincarnated angel-people, while Kalashtar are naturally-psychic "aberrant-touched" humanoids with twin souls; reading through my copy of 3.5E's Eberron Campaign Setting, I didn't notice the word "reincarnation" anywhere in the Kalashtar entry on pages 16-18. Furthermore, a 3.5E Kalashtar's <em>mindlink</em> ability doesn't at all resemble the Deva's racial power in 4E; IIRC, the Deva gets to add a bonus to one roll, while the mindlink ability temporarily connects the Kalashtar to another being telepathically. (I realize that comparing a 3E ability to a 4E power is a case of apples versus oranges, but I'm just trying to show that there's no thematic connection.)</p><p></p><p>I think that Devas could easily exist in Eberron on their own, not only fulfilling any of the former roles of Aasimars, but also as world-bound angels. Sharn is a natural place for Devas to appear, because of its large manifest zone to the angel-filled plane of Syrania, through which angels (and radiant idols) have sometimes appeared. I can even imagine drawing some connection between Devas and Rakshasas (which are central to Eberron), the same way that 4E core seems to. What I <u><strong>can't</strong></u> imagine is that "angel people" should suddenly replace Eberron's iconic psionic player race; to me, this notion makes about as much sense as would someone suggesting that, "House Tharashk should be retconned as a Dragonborn dragonmarked house, because they both get a bonus to Strength!"</p><p></p><p>I apologize if I seem overly passionate about this issue, but it's a pet peeve of mine. I've seen this notion that Kalashtars should just be Devas in 4E, and I honestly do not understand it at all. <strong><u>What's similar about these two races? Why do some people feel that they overlap in such a significant way?</u></strong></p><p></p><p><strong>NOTE:</strong> I've tacked a poll onto this thread, just for interest's sake. Hopefully it will contribute to the discussion in a meaningful way.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doctorhook, post: 4699691, member: 58401"] Forked from: [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showpost.php?postid=4697727"] Player's Handbook 2: I haz it [/URL] Exactly. Personally, I think (hope) that Eberron shouldn't (doesn't) equate Devas and Kalashtars, because personally I don't see anything more than a passing similarity between the two races. As I understand it, Devas are meant to be eternally reincarnated angel-people, while Kalashtar are naturally-psychic "aberrant-touched" humanoids with twin souls; reading through my copy of 3.5E's Eberron Campaign Setting, I didn't notice the word "reincarnation" anywhere in the Kalashtar entry on pages 16-18. Furthermore, a 3.5E Kalashtar's [I]mindlink[/I] ability doesn't at all resemble the Deva's racial power in 4E; IIRC, the Deva gets to add a bonus to one roll, while the mindlink ability temporarily connects the Kalashtar to another being telepathically. (I realize that comparing a 3E ability to a 4E power is a case of apples versus oranges, but I'm just trying to show that there's no thematic connection.) I think that Devas could easily exist in Eberron on their own, not only fulfilling any of the former roles of Aasimars, but also as world-bound angels. Sharn is a natural place for Devas to appear, because of its large manifest zone to the angel-filled plane of Syrania, through which angels (and radiant idols) have sometimes appeared. I can even imagine drawing some connection between Devas and Rakshasas (which are central to Eberron), the same way that 4E core seems to. What I [U][B]can't[/B][/U] imagine is that "angel people" should suddenly replace Eberron's iconic psionic player race; to me, this notion makes about as much sense as would someone suggesting that, "House Tharashk should be retconned as a Dragonborn dragonmarked house, because they both get a bonus to Strength!" I apologize if I seem overly passionate about this issue, but it's a pet peeve of mine. I've seen this notion that Kalashtars should just be Devas in 4E, and I honestly do not understand it at all. [B][U]What's similar about these two races? Why do some people feel that they overlap in such a significant way?[/U][/B] [B]NOTE:[/B] I've tacked a poll onto this thread, just for interest's sake. Hopefully it will contribute to the discussion in a meaningful way. [/QUOTE]
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