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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6052197" data-attributes="member: 996">No offense taken, but this is specifically a 4e thread (it's so labeled), so edition warring shouldn't really be an issue.  And, there are objective ways to look at the quality of game mechanics - and 4e is easily the 'best' version of D&D to date if you just look at the quality of mechanics, not the delivery and other more subjective aspects what make a person like a game or not.  People who hate 4e have plenty of reasons, some are purely subjective, but others are completely bogus (mis-conceptions and even outright, malicious lies - "edition warring," indeed), and drawing any conclusion about 4e based on the bogus ones is something I'd like to help people avoid.</blockquote>