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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Starfox" data-source="post: 6053285" data-attributes="member: 2303">Not for my group, no. 4E had lots of good ideas, but poor implementation in our eyes. The best parts were things like xp budgets, the cosmology, and different monster/pc design. That's why this thread has potential for me.I think the main problem with both 4E combat and skill challenges are that there are too many rolls. Instead of rolls being exiting, they become statistics. That works in a computer game, where the computer does all the drudgery, and fast. It does not in a table RPG. This does have relevance to a discussion of encounter design - rolls should never feel uninteresting and trite like they did to us in 4E.But I should stop here, lest I become an edition warrior myself.</blockquote>