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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6053809" data-attributes="member: 87792">4e has a track record of being misunderstood, misrepresented, and flat out lied about.&nbsp; This tends to mean that 4e fans split into three groups - those who stay on 4e dominant message boards (such as rpg.net and Something Awful), those who stay on 4e specific subfora and sub threads and avoid all confrontation, and the cranky and irritable who know a game we enjoy and have invested a lot of time in will get routinely misrepresented, with people saying things happen a certain way when the rules say the literal opposite.When such misrepresentation is normal, one of two things is necessary - either separating the subfora and people who are going to misrepresent the other side don't have to be seen, or a strong pushback so that we can at least stick to truthful criticisms.&nbsp; Right now a lot of the criticisms of 4e on this very thread are flat out false, but ENWorld is improving, at least in part because some of us are pushing back every time we see such a false criticism.&nbsp; It's not about being pro-4e or anti-4e.&nbsp; It's about the criticism being informed - 4e certainly isn't for everyone or everyone all the time.And as for things being bad for discussion, I know of nothing that is worse than spreading falsehoods and misrepresenting the other side, as has happened in this very thread.&nbsp; That is not just bad for discussion, it means that no productive discussion can take place until the falsehoods have been cleaned up.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 6053809, member: 87792"] 4e has a track record of being misunderstood, misrepresented, and flat out lied about. This tends to mean that 4e fans split into three groups - those who stay on 4e dominant message boards (such as rpg.net and Something Awful), those who stay on 4e specific subfora and sub threads and avoid all confrontation, and the cranky and irritable who know a game we enjoy and have invested a lot of time in will get routinely misrepresented, with people saying things happen a certain way when the rules say the literal opposite. When such misrepresentation is normal, one of two things is necessary - either separating the subfora and people who are going to misrepresent the other side don't have to be seen, or a strong pushback so that we can at least stick to truthful criticisms. Right now a lot of the criticisms of 4e on this very thread are flat out false, but ENWorld is improving, at least in part because some of us are pushing back every time we see such a false criticism. It's not about being pro-4e or anti-4e. It's about the criticism being informed - 4e certainly isn't for everyone or everyone all the time. And as for things being bad for discussion, I know of nothing that is worse than spreading falsehoods and misrepresenting the other side, as has happened in this very thread. That is not just bad for discussion, it means that no productive discussion can take place until the falsehoods have been cleaned up. [/QUOTE]

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