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<blockquote data-quote="Amaroq" data-source="post: 5138644" data-attributes="member: 15470">On a similar topic, but with less modification, I'd been wondering about the idea of letting players pick two powers at each level, much like a Wizard's spellbook.The idea, then, is that, when you use a Level 5 Daily power, you've used them both ... but now you're more likely to pick two that fill very different roles.I mean, as a fighter, I might want one L5 Daily which is great for dancing my way through a bunch of minions, and a second L5 Daily which is great for going to town on a solo ... rather than feeling like I have a single choice that I'm &quot;locked into&quot; for the duration of the character. Not sure how well that'll wind up playing - but the thought was originally prompted by the same &quot;the system feels gamey&quot; feeling that you describe; it gets a little boring when you trot out the same old Level 3 encounter power you've had for nine levels now, and done in say, eight battles per level, and you do it for the 75th time. No matter how cool that power was, it gets a little old by the end of its life.On the other hand, I've always thought that &quot;system&quot; was less important than &quot;players&quot; for encouraging role-playing:If you have a DM who creates encounters with multiple ways past, such as:&nbsp;- Kill them all&nbsp;- Fight them, but use the defenders to shield them while the others go by&nbsp;- Go around them&nbsp;- Bribe them&nbsp;- Intimidate them&nbsp;- Lie to them&nbsp;- Sneak past them&nbsp;- Trick them into going somewhere else, then rush past themThen you're going to get a lot of good role-play.For example, in my current dungeon, I have a revenant paladin who is &quot;guarding&quot; the lich, because anybody who dies fighting the lich makes the lich stronger. I had her very much written in an anime-style, &quot;you must kill me to prove you are worthy of fighting the lich&quot;, with a tone of &quot;and if you can beat the lich, thank the gods, because I'll finally be able to rest&quot;. My players refused to fight her, and after negotiating with her, have informed me that they're determined to convince her to do something useful to help them against the lich. If I force them to fight her, it really doesn't matter what the mechanics of the system are - they're going to see the system as &quot;mechanical&quot; and the world as &quot;static&quot;.If I give them a chance to talk her out of her personal quest, they're going to see the system as &quot;fun&quot; and the world as &quot;sandbox&quot; ... especially if her choice in the matter has some knock-on effects later on.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Amaroq, post: 5138644, member: 15470"] On a similar topic, but with less modification, I'd been wondering about the idea of letting players pick [b]two[/b] powers at each level, much like a Wizard's spellbook. The idea, then, is that, when you use [b]a[/b] Level 5 Daily power, you've used them both ... but now you're more likely to pick two that fill very different roles. I mean, as a fighter, I might want one L5 Daily which is great for dancing my way through a bunch of minions, and a second L5 Daily which is great for going to town on a solo ... rather than feeling like I have a single choice that I'm "locked into" for the duration of the character. Not sure how well that'll wind up playing - but the thought was originally prompted by the same "the system feels gamey" feeling that you describe; it gets a little boring when you trot out the same old Level 3 encounter power you've had for nine levels now, and done in say, eight battles per level, and you do it for the 75th time. No matter how cool that power [b]was[/b], it gets a little old by the end of its life. On the other hand, I've always thought that "system" was less important than "players" for encouraging role-playing: If you have a DM who creates encounters with multiple ways past, such as: - Kill them all - Fight them, but use the defenders to shield them while the others go by - Go around them - Bribe them - Intimidate them - Lie to them - Sneak past them - Trick them into going somewhere else, then rush past them Then you're going to get a lot of good role-play. For example, in my current dungeon, I have a revenant paladin who is "guarding" the lich, because anybody who dies fighting the lich makes the lich stronger. I had her very much written in an anime-style, "you must kill me to prove you are worthy of fighting the lich", with a tone of "and if you can beat the lich, thank the gods, because I'll finally be able to rest". My players refused to fight her, and after negotiating with her, have informed me that they're determined to convince her to do something useful to help them against the lich. If I force them to fight her, it really doesn't matter what the mechanics of the system are - they're going to see the system as "mechanical" and the world as "static". If I give them a chance to talk her out of her personal quest, they're going to see the system as "fun" and the world as "sandbox" ... especially if her choice in the matter has some knock-on effects later on. [/QUOTE]

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