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<blockquote data-quote="GnomeWorks" data-source="post: 4896345" data-attributes="member: 162"><p>That's not why I'm excluding setting-specific books. Setting books do not tend, IMO and IME, to contribute significantly to a system's mechanical bloat. Hence why they are not being counted; if someone threw numbers at me for 4e (or 3e, for that matter) that included setting books, then the numbers I was using were off.</p><p></p><p>Yes, they eat up part of the schedule; yes, they take time to develop; but that's not the concern. The concern is system bloat.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>...do <em>none</em> of you remember what happened near the end of 3.5, with the system being way too freaking huge to be anything remotely resembling manageable if you used all the books? And I'm just talking about what WotC put out; bring in third party products, and... yeah, that'd be a freaking mess.</p><p></p><p>The supplement mill contributes to the mechanical bloating of a system. Not only that, but...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh, <em>please</em>. Where do you think the supplement mill ends? If you really think that 5e is anything more than a few years' distant, you are fooling yourself. The faster the supplement mill cranks out books, the sooner the next edition is going to be.</p><p></p><p>This is not a WotC problem. I know that you're all going to ignore me when I say that, you're going to continue to insist that I'm hating solely on WotC with this argument, but <em>that is missing the point</em>. WotC is using the supplement mill model because - you're right, it has worked in the past. It probably works pretty well now. The problem is that, the faster supplements are cranked out, the less life you get out of a given edition, necessitating putting out a new edition so that you can reap the benefits of a new set of actual core. </p><p></p><p>The issue is not with the company, it's with the model itself. There has to be a better way.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GnomeWorks, post: 4896345, member: 162"] That's not why I'm excluding setting-specific books. Setting books do not tend, IMO and IME, to contribute significantly to a system's mechanical bloat. Hence why they are not being counted; if someone threw numbers at me for 4e (or 3e, for that matter) that included setting books, then the numbers I was using were off. Yes, they eat up part of the schedule; yes, they take time to develop; but that's not the concern. The concern is system bloat. ...do [i]none[/i] of you remember what happened near the end of 3.5, with the system being way too freaking huge to be anything remotely resembling manageable if you used all the books? And I'm just talking about what WotC put out; bring in third party products, and... yeah, that'd be a freaking mess. The supplement mill contributes to the mechanical bloating of a system. Not only that, but... Oh, [i]please[/i]. Where do you think the supplement mill ends? If you really think that 5e is anything more than a few years' distant, you are fooling yourself. The faster the supplement mill cranks out books, the sooner the next edition is going to be. This is not a WotC problem. I know that you're all going to ignore me when I say that, you're going to continue to insist that I'm hating solely on WotC with this argument, but [i]that is missing the point[/i]. WotC is using the supplement mill model because - you're right, it has worked in the past. It probably works pretty well now. The problem is that, the faster supplements are cranked out, the less life you get out of a given edition, necessitating putting out a new edition so that you can reap the benefits of a new set of actual core. The issue is not with the company, it's with the model itself. There has to be a better way. [/QUOTE]
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