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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jacob Lewis" data-source="post: 5455142" data-attributes="member: 6667921">Today I find myself in an unfamiliar position. I am waiting on a call  and indulging in this ongoing debate over something that I didn't really think needed debating in the first place, and find myself being continually put on the defensive. And for what reason? Because I suggested that Essentials is confusing to a lot of people. That's it.There is no need for sides in this argument, is there? I actually like Essentials; I just don't know if I like it mixed in with my old 4e or if I like it standing on its own. Of course, I really hate the idea of letting go of all my previous material just to make it work, and I think that I am not alone in this.So what is the argument being made here really about? That its not as confusing as some people say it is? Maybe more than a few people believe that, but its irrelevant to those who have given up on trying to deal with it. Everything that has come out before Essentials has not been so difficult in this regard. Its not even a comparison.But I didn't come here to whine, or complain, or huff about any of it. I came here to make a point, and the point is that there is a greater degree of confusion when dealing with Essentials than what we've had to deal with in the past with other supplements. That's it. How this devolved into a pointless debate about needing to prove something with an example out of the text is beyond me. The only proof that matters... the one that cannot be refuted... is that there is a significant number of gamers out there who cannot agree on how everything in Essentials is supposed to work with all the other stuff. And then, this:You might be right, but I wasn't looking for clarification. Just someone who could point me to the definitive answers that so many might have missed. Fact is, I know it doesn't exist. And that is the greatest point of contention about this whole fiasco. It should never have been an issue, yet it is, and continues to be for many of us. We're not lost; we're just tired of having to deal with it. And your 40%? They shouldn't be invalidated just because they're not in the majority where you're at.I'm going to try and leave it at that as I think we've begun to stray from the original topic. Now I wish that phone call would come in already.BTW, I loved the snark you took out of the original. That actually made me laugh! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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