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4E feats vs Essential Feats. A list?
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<blockquote data-quote="mudlock" data-source="post: 5455338" data-attributes="member: 95211"><p>4e is 4e and a feat is a feat. Essentials didn't change any of that.</p><p></p><p>Yeah, some of the new feats make some of the old feats pretty much a waste of time. So my advice to you is: Don't take feats that are a waste of time. Yeah, it'd be nice if WotC made a list somewhere of the useless feats, but they haven't (and thank you to the EN community members who did!) But that's not "confusion," that's "inconvenience," and a minor one at that, since virtually every player who's going to care or notice is one who already is familiar with PHBI-III, and is therefore pretty much by definition not a new player.</p><p></p><p>If you are a new player, it might be easier to either only use pre-essentials feats or only use post-essentials feats; your character might not be fully super-ultra-optimized, but they won't be horribly deficient either, I promise.</p><p></p><p>If you're an old hat running a game for new players (or a mix of old and new players), it might be slightly easier/fairer to make everyone do that. Or the old hats can hand-hold the newbies about the 40 or so out of the 2,000-odd feats in the game that have been superseded. Or not; again, their characters won't be horribly deficient by any stretch. But again, that's not "confusion" that's "minor annoyance."</p><p></p><p>Acting like you're an old hat while demanding that WotC hold your hand about this seems... I dunno... like you're just concern-trolling against Essentials.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mudlock, post: 5455338, member: 95211"] 4e is 4e and a feat is a feat. Essentials didn't change any of that. Yeah, some of the new feats make some of the old feats pretty much a waste of time. So my advice to you is: Don't take feats that are a waste of time. Yeah, it'd be nice if WotC made a list somewhere of the useless feats, but they haven't (and thank you to the EN community members who did!) But that's not "confusion," that's "inconvenience," and a minor one at that, since virtually every player who's going to care or notice is one who already is familiar with PHBI-III, and is therefore pretty much by definition not a new player. If you are a new player, it might be easier to either only use pre-essentials feats or only use post-essentials feats; your character might not be fully super-ultra-optimized, but they won't be horribly deficient either, I promise. If you're an old hat running a game for new players (or a mix of old and new players), it might be slightly easier/fairer to make everyone do that. Or the old hats can hand-hold the newbies about the 40 or so out of the 2,000-odd feats in the game that have been superseded. Or not; again, their characters won't be horribly deficient by any stretch. But again, that's not "confusion" that's "minor annoyance." Acting like you're an old hat while demanding that WotC hold your hand about this seems... I dunno... like you're just concern-trolling against Essentials. [/QUOTE]
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