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<blockquote data-quote="Treebore" data-source="post: 4511619" data-attributes="member: 10177">I have to admit that I have been surprised that we keep surviving encounters in the 4E game versus creatures with better saves then most of our PC's, better AC's, better to hit probabilities, and often just as many, if nor more HP's, we still manage to survive. It comes down to we have healing surges and they don't, or at least the DM has not allowed them to use any.Personally I consider it bad game design when you have to do that. IE make the encounter so tough in order to keep second winds and such from being too powerful. I think its still obviously too powerful. Then again, thats my sense ofhow game mechanics should balance out. Not that it makes 4E a bad game, no RPG that I am aware of achieves a perfect balance. 4E simply does not replace my old standards.I still can't say I feel any love for 4E at all. I will not miss 4E when our last session is over tonight, but I will miss the great group of players.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Treebore, post: 4511619, member: 10177"] I have to admit that I have been surprised that we keep surviving encounters in the 4E game versus creatures with better saves then most of our PC's, better AC's, better to hit probabilities, and often just as many, if nor more HP's, we still manage to survive. It comes down to we have healing surges and they don't, or at least the DM has not allowed them to use any. Personally I consider it bad game design when you have to do that. IE make the encounter so tough in order to keep second winds and such from being too powerful. I think its still obviously too powerful. Then again, thats my sense of how game mechanics should balance out. Not that it makes 4E a bad game, no RPG that I am aware of achieves a perfect balance. 4E simply does not replace my old standards. I still can't say I feel any love for 4E at all. I will not miss 4E when our last session is over tonight, but I will miss the great group of players. [/QUOTE]

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