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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JeffB" data-source="post: 4495839" data-attributes="member: 518">No worries Joe- I know exactly what you are saying and I agree re: raw content. I was just trying to state in a  lighthearted way that all the added raw material of 3.0 didn't matter cos I didn't enjoy running the game and ultimately dropped around the time 3.5 showed up.I do wish WOTC would up the "bang for the buck" factor-although I've not been happy so far, it seems the DDI magazines are the only really  "good values" (as long as one is happy w/ the content).  The Starter kit looks to be as well. But I'm not a WOTC fan when it comes to supplemental material anyway- I've taken my $ elsewhere since 3E was released :shrug: I think the 4E MM is the only place I really feel "shafted"- I love the way it was done- I love the new statblocks and all the variety of standard creatures- but that book def seems "thin".  The 4E DMG I think is actually just about perfect because it's such an actually good GUIDE to being a DM- When comparing it to the 3.5 MM it may seem a bit thin but there was alot of material added from supplemental books- the 3.0 DMG version was pretty useless outside of the Magic Items and some key explanations for things like conditions.The 4E PHB- yeah I'd like to have seen Dragondorks,Tieflings, and possibly the Warlord dropped for more rituals, and I prefer my magic items in the DMG, but otherwise I'm OK with that book.</blockquote>