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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4101280" data-attributes="member: 2011">Directly implied?Where the heck does that come from in a debate? And I did not change anything. You'll have to quote where I changed my stance as opposed to just claiming it. And, your inferences on what I meant as opposed to what I said are irrelevant.But by definition, hit points could take weeks or months to heal in 1E or 2E, so by definition, they were damage. How serious is dependent on the amount of damage inflicted.In 3E where damage heals naturally at a per level rate, it heals faster than in 1E or 2E. But, it is still damage and without assistance, it would still typically take about 4 days of bedrest to heal up (class and CON dependent).If it heals in 6 hours like in 4E, it's so fast that it can barely be considered damage. More like fatigue or lack of will or even 3E nonlethal damage.But, everything about hit points in the 3E rules indicate real lethal damage for hit points:Quote a 3E rule that indicates that hit points do not represent damage or the lessening of damage.</blockquote>