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<blockquote data-quote="Jon Wake" data-source="post: 4102363" data-attributes="member: 58770">Saying a 'nod to verisimilitude' is like saying 'almost flying'.&nbsp; Something models reality, or it doesn't.&nbsp;&nbsp; It it doesn't, it's not realistic, no matter how well its explained.See, Jeff is sort of ignoring the elephant in the room.&nbsp;&nbsp; Answer one question:&nbsp; Why does the 20th level character at 1 hp take longer to heal than the 1st level character at 1 hp?Because if that doesn't 'break your suspension of disbelief' (which should be a banned phrase when you're playing a game where there are 100' tall bipeds who don't collapse under their own mass, not to mention, I don't know, MAGIC?), but healing overnight does?&nbsp;&nbsp; You gotta play some games other than D&amp;D.&nbsp; It's warped your mind.I've played many fun, exciting games that model fictional reality fairly well.&nbsp; The Riddle of Steel has the best combat mechanics, wounding mechanics, and healing rules for a Conan-esque bloody battle.&nbsp;&nbsp; It does that because it is built to do that.&nbsp;&nbsp; It does not claim to do anything else.&nbsp; You won't fight hordes of undead.&nbsp; You will ambush enemies and beat them to death with your bare hands if you need to.&nbsp; Being a 'tough guy' doesn't mean you take more damage, it means you kill the other man better.&nbsp;&nbsp; It's built around 'realism'.&nbsp;&nbsp; HarnMaster is THE simulationist RPG.&nbsp;&nbsp; Getting hit with a sword, or arrow, means you fail.&nbsp;&nbsp; You collapse, bleed a lot, get infections, and if you're a serious nasty mofo you recover in a month or two to get your revenge.&nbsp; I love that game.&nbsp;&nbsp; But it's not D&amp;D.For some bizarre reason, people want D&amp;D to be all things to all people.&nbsp;&nbsp; It's not.&nbsp; Not &quot;Well, I think it should.&quot;&nbsp; That's wonderful that you think that.&nbsp; You are wrong.&nbsp;&nbsp; 4E figured out exactly what it wanted to be: big, over the top Raiders of the Lost Ark with more swords action.&nbsp;&nbsp; It's high adventure.&nbsp;&nbsp; Epic battles.&nbsp;&nbsp; You are not a peasant who just picked up a sword one day.&nbsp; You are a freaking killing machine.&nbsp;&nbsp; You are made of twisted steel and sex appeal.&nbsp;&nbsp; You eat iron and crap nails.&nbsp; And thats at 1st level.&nbsp;&nbsp; Stabbing you will just make you mad.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jon Wake, post: 4102363, member: 58770"] Saying a 'nod to verisimilitude' is like saying 'almost flying'. Something models reality, or it doesn't. It it doesn't, it's not realistic, no matter how well its explained. See, Jeff is sort of ignoring the elephant in the room. Answer one question: Why does the 20th level character at 1 hp take longer to heal than the 1st level character at 1 hp? Because if that doesn't 'break your suspension of disbelief' (which should be a banned phrase when you're playing a game where there are 100' tall bipeds who don't collapse under their own mass, not to mention, I don't know, MAGIC?), but healing overnight does? You gotta play some games other than D&D. It's warped your mind. I've played many fun, exciting games that model fictional reality fairly well. [I]The Riddle of Steel[/I] has the best combat mechanics, wounding mechanics, and healing rules for a Conan-esque bloody battle. It does that because it is built to do that. It does not claim to do anything else. You won't fight hordes of undead. You will ambush enemies and beat them to death with your bare hands if you need to. Being a 'tough guy' doesn't mean you take more damage, it means you kill the other man better. It's built around 'realism'. [I]HarnMaster [/I]is THE simulationist RPG. Getting hit with a sword, or arrow, means you fail. You collapse, bleed a lot, get infections, and if you're a serious nasty mofo you recover in a month or two to get your revenge. I love that game. But it's not D&D. For some bizarre reason, people want D&D to be all things to all people. It's not. Not "Well, I think it should." That's wonderful that you think that. You are wrong. 4E figured out exactly what it wanted to be: big, over the top Raiders of the Lost Ark with more swords action. It's high adventure. Epic battles. You are not a peasant who just picked up a sword one day. You are a freaking killing machine. You are made of twisted steel and sex appeal. You eat iron and crap nails. And thats at 1st level. Stabbing you will just make you mad. [/QUOTE]

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