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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 8036700" data-attributes="member: 82504">That finally got around to it was in 2010 they were pumping out product fast (2 years).4e had hundreds of rituals eventually which you literally cannot aside from a small few via scrolls do in combatAdding features to classes like Essentials did, locked them down instead of being something most anyone not focusing on magic might learn or might acquire because of a different path. For instance the Skald features work wonderfully with minor flavor tweaks on Warlords and Priests and some even by Rogues or others accessing benefits of various Guilds and international bodies. Locking them into a Class was let us call it counterproductive and not in keeping with the games design. They had the mechanism (which needed some adjustments based on the DMG2) but it was a good concept for open ended learning. The same as open ended learning casters have in the form of rituals.Themes were great like Paragon Paths for heroic levels with some background thrown in. (more of the details of your story) and are analogs of the Background in 5e - which are similarly nice. But 5e has no Paragon Paths or Epic Destinies which find missing everyone feels small in comparison.  Basically Odyssey of the Dragonlords kind of pastes Epic Destinies back into the 5e game (kind of).To me it looks more like 5e did lip service out of the box (stripping out SC and having far fewer rituals and far less well defined skills) and pasted on Downtime rules later on, shrug.</blockquote>

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