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<blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 8037875" data-attributes="member: 82504"><p>Skills application in 4e were presented and implemented with big story bang and as a basic problem solvers AND a source of experience when used in challenging significant ways. 5e skills are inconsistent fluff and the ultimate in FIDDLY (all uses requiring DM attention) since to do anything with them its just a game of Mother May I with virtually nonexistent guidelines. 4e still has the DM negotiation for some things don't get me wrong but 4e also had context to establish expectations between players and DMs alike for instance skill powers and the use in Skill Challenges (which also reinforced how much could be accomplished they could rival the use of rituals in that context). In 4e skills even determine what rituals and martial practices you have access to. To me they are just far more important than in 5e. Skill powers are like being able to swap out a class feature for something related to those skills (even if they are often a combat function of them). 5e characters feel in lock down to me and that is one of the reasons. Treating skills as minor things in 4e is on you. Skill challenges encouraged adaptive usages even with all the example applications ie they remained open ended.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Garthanos, post: 8037875, member: 82504"] Skills application in 4e were presented and implemented with big story bang and as a basic problem solvers AND a source of experience when used in challenging significant ways. 5e skills are inconsistent fluff and the ultimate in FIDDLY (all uses requiring DM attention) since to do anything with them its just a game of Mother May I with virtually nonexistent guidelines. 4e still has the DM negotiation for some things don't get me wrong but 4e also had context to establish expectations between players and DMs alike for instance skill powers and the use in Skill Challenges (which also reinforced how much could be accomplished they could rival the use of rituals in that context). In 4e skills even determine what rituals and martial practices you have access to. To me they are just far more important than in 5e. Skill powers are like being able to swap out a class feature for something related to those skills (even if they are often a combat function of them). 5e characters feel in lock down to me and that is one of the reasons. Treating skills as minor things in 4e is on you. Skill challenges encouraged adaptive usages even with all the example applications ie they remained open ended. [/QUOTE]
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