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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jodyjohnson" data-source="post: 5836993" data-attributes="member: 5590">Side by side comparison to new 4e math (MM3 and Rules Compendium on)This is all riffing on Quickleaf's DM cheat sheet or Sly Flourish's sheet.Skills: No change from New 4e baseline, the harder checks become 15% harder by 20th (+3 - 19 prime stat max instead of 24 prime stats by 18th level).Damage:Average NPC Damage reduced by 3:Current 4e math baseline: 8+level,    Proposed baseline:  5+levelEarlier edition math is all over but 4.5+hit dice isn't far off as a baseline, 3.x increases for stats and items only and accomplishes most damage increases with Full attacks or more powerful spells.Minion Damage:  no change in proportion, however the baseline is 1.5 lower.Defenses:Average AC scaling slowed, start +2 higher  (at 20th it is 8 lower)Current 4e math:  14+level,              Proposed baseline:   16+1/2 level Earlier edition math is all over, 3.x doesn't scale AC, multiple bonuses account for massive increases.Average Non-AC Defense scaling slowed, start +1 higher (at 20th it is 9 lower)Current 4e math = 12+level,              Proposed baseline:   13+1/2 levelEarlier edition math (Saving Throws) is between 1/4 and 1/2 except for the Fighters/Creatures at around 2/3 - but pre-3.x non-physical attacks (magic, etc.) didn't scale, 3.x increases at 1/2 HD for good, and 1/3 level for poor - with attacks scaling with stats.Hit Points:Hit Points more than halved then shifting to less than halved, NPCs increase HP at the same rate as PCs, they just get 6/7/9 to start instead of Con.Low HPCurrent 4e math = 21+6/level            Proposed baseline:  6+4/levelEarlier edition math = 4.5/HD or lower (d8 HD); d6 in 3.x  (or Con penalties)Medium HPCurrent 4e math = 24+8/level            Proposed baseline:  7+5/levelEarlier edition math = 4.5/HD; d8 in 3.x (Plus moderate Con bonus/level 3.x)High HPCurrent 4e math = 26+10/level           Proposed baseline:  9+6/levelEarlier edition math = 4.5/HD or better; d10 in 3.x (Plus high Con bonus/level 3.x)Attack Bonuses:Current 4e math = 5+level                 Proposed baseline:  6+1/2 levelEarlier edition math = +1/HD or 3/4 HD(level)Non-ACCurrent 4e = 3+level                         Proposed baseline:  3+1/2 levelEarlier edition math had no scaling or Stat based DC scaling.PC Stats:1e: Stat cap at start of 18, except Fighters (18/00)2e: Same although some optional races may have gone up to 19.3.x/4e:  Stat cap at start of 20PC Hit Points:Current 4e = Con + Class (4/5/6/7) per level plus level 1 bump (6/7/9/10)Proposed PC hit points = Con + Class only (4/5/6/7) per level (no level 1 bump)Pre-4e = Class HD per level + Con bonus/level (Max at 1st in 3.x and common house rule before that)PC Armor ClassCurrent 4e = 10 + Armor + 1/2 level + bonuses + baked in MW bonusProposed = 10 + Armor + 1/2 level + bonuses, no MW bumpPre-4e = 10 or 0 + Armor + Dex + numerous item/magic bonuses (no set scaling)</blockquote>

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