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<blockquote data-quote="gizmo33" data-source="post: 3772612" data-attributes="member: 30001"><p>Agreed, and so the game should have hitpoints and you should get enough of those to be heroic (that's a simple version of it).&nbsp; The notion that PCs regularly dodge crossbow bolts is the reason that some people consider being killed by a crossbow bolt a &quot;peasants death&quot; (though they weren't very specific).&nbsp; Note, if you believe my premise, how dodging a crossbow bolt has gone from something extraordinary to something ordinary.&nbsp; This is basically what I'm saying, IMO you can't say that the game is going to be about nothing but extraordinary things and then expect those things to stay extraordinary in people's minds over time.&nbsp; Just look at how the Epic Level Handbook says Conan is an example of a 30th level character - that's a testimony to how 9th level characters are now considered &quot;ordinary&quot;.&nbsp; I, for one, am not going to buy the Complete Book of Heart Attacks, and I'm not advocating that DnD characters not be heroic.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="gizmo33, post: 3772612, member: 30001"] Agreed, and so the game should have hitpoints and you should get enough of those to be heroic (that's a simple version of it). The notion that PCs regularly dodge crossbow bolts is the reason that some people consider being killed by a crossbow bolt a "peasants death" (though they weren't very specific). Note, if you believe my premise, how dodging a crossbow bolt has gone from something extraordinary to something ordinary. This is basically what I'm saying, IMO you can't say that the game is going to be about nothing but extraordinary things and then expect those things to stay extraordinary in people's minds over time. Just look at how the Epic Level Handbook says Conan is an example of a 30th level character - that's a testimony to how 9th level characters are now considered "ordinary". I, for one, am not going to buy the Complete Book of Heart Attacks, and I'm not advocating that DnD characters not be heroic. [/QUOTE]

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