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<blockquote data-quote="Dragonblade" data-source="post: 4604031" data-attributes="member: 2804"><p>Interesting thread, but I think some of you are incorrect. Although Destructive Salutation is a power granted by the Blood Mage paragon path, its still a Wizard path, and as such saying its not a wizard power is splitting hairs. They absolutely should be able to use Destructive Salutation with their Orb of Imposition class ability. Even so, its not broken.</p><p></p><p>Here is the deal. The Orb of Imposition implement mastery ability has two features. The feature the OP mentioned in his thread by extending the Stun effect only applies to Wizard At-Wills so right there the OP's player is stymied in his attempt at a broken combo.</p><p></p><p>However, there is no reason that this Wizard PC couldn't use the first Orb of Imposition effect; the ability to apply a Save penalty to the use of Destruction Salutation. However, since a Save Ends effect only occurs on a Hit, the PC in question would definitely not want to miss.</p><p></p><p>Additionally, the magic item Orb of Inevitable Continuance would not apply at all on a Hit since it wouldn't apply to Save Ends powers. Now if he did miss and got a one round Stun, then he could use the Daily from the orb and extend it for one additional round.</p><p></p><p>There is no way to incorporate all three powers into one combo. Either he uses is his Blood Mage Daily and hits and then uses his O of I class feature to apply a saving throw penalty, or he misses and uses his O of IE item daily power to make the Stun effect last two rounds instead of one.</p><p></p><p>But regardless, its a one shot deal. Even if he uses his level 21 Archmage ability to recover Destruction Salution (which is itself a once a day power!!), he can't use O of I twice in the same encounter, nor would he be able to recover his Item daily. I suppose he could have multiples of the same orb, but again he still gets only 3 item dailies a day as an epic character. Either way he is going to be potentially blowing multiple dailies on a combo that while nice is nowhere near game breaking.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dragonblade, post: 4604031, member: 2804"] Interesting thread, but I think some of you are incorrect. Although Destructive Salutation is a power granted by the Blood Mage paragon path, its still a Wizard path, and as such saying its not a wizard power is splitting hairs. They absolutely should be able to use Destructive Salutation with their Orb of Imposition class ability. Even so, its not broken. Here is the deal. The Orb of Imposition implement mastery ability has two features. The feature the OP mentioned in his thread by extending the Stun effect only applies to Wizard At-Wills so right there the OP's player is stymied in his attempt at a broken combo. However, there is no reason that this Wizard PC couldn't use the first Orb of Imposition effect; the ability to apply a Save penalty to the use of Destruction Salutation. However, since a Save Ends effect only occurs on a Hit, the PC in question would definitely not want to miss. Additionally, the magic item Orb of Inevitable Continuance would not apply at all on a Hit since it wouldn't apply to Save Ends powers. Now if he did miss and got a one round Stun, then he could use the Daily from the orb and extend it for one additional round. There is no way to incorporate all three powers into one combo. Either he uses is his Blood Mage Daily and hits and then uses his O of I class feature to apply a saving throw penalty, or he misses and uses his O of IE item daily power to make the Stun effect last two rounds instead of one. But regardless, its a one shot deal. Even if he uses his level 21 Archmage ability to recover Destruction Salution (which is itself a once a day power!!), he can't use O of I twice in the same encounter, nor would he be able to recover his Item daily. I suppose he could have multiples of the same orb, but again he still gets only 3 item dailies a day as an epic character. Either way he is going to be potentially blowing multiple dailies on a combo that while nice is nowhere near game breaking. [/QUOTE]
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