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<blockquote data-quote="scottdunphy" data-source="post: 1861648" data-attributes="member: 14250"><p><strong>What would it be?</strong></p><p></p><p>I had stopped playing D&D for about a decade. I started again in 1999. I bought all the 2nd Edition books again and quickly discovered how messsed up it was (How long did round last in 2ed?). I had been playing several other systems over those years and thought most of them superior to 2ed in at least some aspects. The RPG world had evolved and left D&D behind.</p><p></p><p>When I learned about 3E in mid 2000, I was really excited. When it came out it was readily apparent what a tremendous improvement it was. </p><p></p><p>Then in 2003 Dragon started to tell us about 3.5. I was not at all excited. But then when I learned more about it and actually read it, I felt it was worth switching. The changes to CR alone were worth it. But this was a fix to some issues with new mechanics - mechanics that had been thoroughly playtested for 3E, but you can't catch everything.</p><p></p><p>So what would 4E be? I'm not saying 3.5 is perfection, but I'm not seeing the massive problems that 2ed had or the obvious improvements 3.5 brought.</p><p></p><p>There are some RPGs that are charting new directions - "narrative" games where the players have as much control of the story as the GM (if there is one). But these are still pretty obscure (and therefore still in developmental infancy) and even if they become more widespread they may not be everyone's cup of tea. Even if WotC wanted to explore this direction, they wouldn't need to change the core mechanic to add some player plot contol elements.</p><p></p><p>Could they leave classes behind and go with a character builder system? Sure, but would that necessitate a major change to the core mechanic? I don't think so (in fact, I'm suprised there isn't a D20 leveless book out - or maybe there is?). </p><p></p><p>So if 4E is closer to the incremental change of 3.5 than the sea change of 3E then what is there to worry about?</p><p></p><p>And what if there isn't a 4E planned because the developers haven't thought it up yet? It seems everyone is assuming a profit motive but it seems to me the developers actually had something to say with 3.5 (even if you don't appreciate it). What if they are actually out of major changes to make? I don't think it would suprise me too much.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="scottdunphy, post: 1861648, member: 14250"] [b]What would it be?[/b] I had stopped playing D&D for about a decade. I started again in 1999. I bought all the 2nd Edition books again and quickly discovered how messsed up it was (How long did round last in 2ed?). I had been playing several other systems over those years and thought most of them superior to 2ed in at least some aspects. The RPG world had evolved and left D&D behind. When I learned about 3E in mid 2000, I was really excited. When it came out it was readily apparent what a tremendous improvement it was. Then in 2003 Dragon started to tell us about 3.5. I was not at all excited. But then when I learned more about it and actually read it, I felt it was worth switching. The changes to CR alone were worth it. But this was a fix to some issues with new mechanics - mechanics that had been thoroughly playtested for 3E, but you can't catch everything. So what would 4E be? I'm not saying 3.5 is perfection, but I'm not seeing the massive problems that 2ed had or the obvious improvements 3.5 brought. There are some RPGs that are charting new directions - "narrative" games where the players have as much control of the story as the GM (if there is one). But these are still pretty obscure (and therefore still in developmental infancy) and even if they become more widespread they may not be everyone's cup of tea. Even if WotC wanted to explore this direction, they wouldn't need to change the core mechanic to add some player plot contol elements. Could they leave classes behind and go with a character builder system? Sure, but would that necessitate a major change to the core mechanic? I don't think so (in fact, I'm suprised there isn't a D20 leveless book out - or maybe there is?). So if 4E is closer to the incremental change of 3.5 than the sea change of 3E then what is there to worry about? And what if there isn't a 4E planned because the developers haven't thought it up yet? It seems everyone is assuming a profit motive but it seems to me the developers actually had something to say with 3.5 (even if you don't appreciate it). What if they are actually out of major changes to make? I don't think it would suprise me too much. [/QUOTE]
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