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<blockquote data-quote="seskis281" data-source="post: 4117847" data-attributes="member: 41593"><p>It really is a free country - guy's allowed to dislike his experience as much as the next is allowed to like it.</p><p></p><p>It always seems to come back to the myriad differences in what people "feel" constitutes "D&D," aside from merely having the legal right to put the title on top of a game. </p><p></p><p>Hell, some people can argue that the mere change in the style of the ampersand between Dungeons - and - Dragons "changes it irrevocably." The question then is: is D&D merely a specific brand name or does it have a "larger" conotation - i.e., growing up in the south we used the term "Coke" to mean the generic of a type of dark soft drink, whether it was brand named Coke or Pepsi.... yet no one would use that generic when talking about clearer drinks like Sprite. </p><p></p><p>So, extending the metaphor, some may feel that older (O and 1e) are "Coke," 2e was "Pepsi," 3e "Dr. Pepper" and 4e is now something more akin to Sprite (ok guys - just a metaphor here - don't get too excited or bothered lol)....</p><p></p><p>Others will tell you they never liked Coke OR Pepsi OR Dr. Pepper, and they're finally happy that they finally have Sprite. </p><p></p><p>I gave up on "officially published D&D" as the switch to 3.5 happened. That doesn't mean I disparage or put down those who like a different "flavor" to their gaming. It just means I like what I like and others like what they like. I play another system entirely (don't worry - I have no intention of proselytizing here!), and I am not interested in the paradigms that motivate 4e.</p><p></p><p>Recently I posted a poll about would people buy/support the new system without the legal moniker of D&D on it -- I think it's safe to say that many would not. I play D&D. Sometimes I play a game that has it on the cover (my B/X or 1e stuff). Mostly now I play it with the gaming logo of another company, a different system altogether. Does that mean I am not playing D&D? </p><p></p><p>I think I am, but that's because "D&D" is, to me, a generic term for a style of FRPGing, a "style" that the OP is elusively trying to nail down.... an archetypal fantasy setting that's not primarily defined by character builds, powers and stats. I will reiterate, I do NOT mean to say that those who want this focus of RPGing (a focus which 4e proudly embraces) are wrong, just to try to explain the differences in mindsets.</p><p></p><p>So, in the words of the late E. Gary Gygax, play what you like and remember to have fun!</p><p></p><p>It is a game, not a religion. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="seskis281, post: 4117847, member: 41593"] It really is a free country - guy's allowed to dislike his experience as much as the next is allowed to like it. It always seems to come back to the myriad differences in what people "feel" constitutes "D&D," aside from merely having the legal right to put the title on top of a game. Hell, some people can argue that the mere change in the style of the ampersand between Dungeons - and - Dragons "changes it irrevocably." The question then is: is D&D merely a specific brand name or does it have a "larger" conotation - i.e., growing up in the south we used the term "Coke" to mean the generic of a type of dark soft drink, whether it was brand named Coke or Pepsi.... yet no one would use that generic when talking about clearer drinks like Sprite. So, extending the metaphor, some may feel that older (O and 1e) are "Coke," 2e was "Pepsi," 3e "Dr. Pepper" and 4e is now something more akin to Sprite (ok guys - just a metaphor here - don't get too excited or bothered lol).... Others will tell you they never liked Coke OR Pepsi OR Dr. Pepper, and they're finally happy that they finally have Sprite. I gave up on "officially published D&D" as the switch to 3.5 happened. That doesn't mean I disparage or put down those who like a different "flavor" to their gaming. It just means I like what I like and others like what they like. I play another system entirely (don't worry - I have no intention of proselytizing here!), and I am not interested in the paradigms that motivate 4e. Recently I posted a poll about would people buy/support the new system without the legal moniker of D&D on it -- I think it's safe to say that many would not. I play D&D. Sometimes I play a game that has it on the cover (my B/X or 1e stuff). Mostly now I play it with the gaming logo of another company, a different system altogether. Does that mean I am not playing D&D? I think I am, but that's because "D&D" is, to me, a generic term for a style of FRPGing, a "style" that the OP is elusively trying to nail down.... an archetypal fantasy setting that's not primarily defined by character builds, powers and stats. I will reiterate, I do NOT mean to say that those who want this focus of RPGing (a focus which 4e proudly embraces) are wrong, just to try to explain the differences in mindsets. So, in the words of the late E. Gary Gygax, play what you like and remember to have fun! It is a game, not a religion. ;) [/QUOTE]
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