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<blockquote data-quote="Sunderstone" data-source="post: 4427074" data-attributes="member: 23497">I also found the OP slightly abrasive (even though im also not pro-4E). That said, the OP does have a valid opinion concerning the &quot;incomplete game&quot; comment.&nbsp; Some of us like our D&amp;D abit more traditional. Maybe we dont like having Dragonborne as a core race, maybe we prefer our Gnomes. Maybe we dont like the Warlock or Warlord as a core class, maybe we prefer the Druid and Bard etc. The OP stated he liked the core mechanics/rules and wanted to like the game or whatnot. Based on his post it does look like he is trying to get his version of D&amp;D working under the new rules. To do this, it looks like he will need to&nbsp; buy &quot;promised sequels&quot; (probably at $35 a pop), so to him WotC has changed the Core three books to 4 or 5 or whatever it will take to return his gaming world to what it was under the new rules. I know if I did like the 4E ruleset, this would be like giving me half a game imho as well. Id be thinking &quot;wow now Ill have to have buy at least 4 &quot;Core&quot; books to bring this game to what Im used to, furthermore I might have to buy my web enhacements monthly when I used to get them free&quot;.In this I can understand the frustration. To me (again imho) it looks incomplete, as well as am attempt to get me to pay more for my game to be &quot;recognizable&quot; again.Im repeating this because it seems as if most people responding are looking at the tone of the OP (which I also found abrasive) rather than some of the&nbsp; actual content of the OP. Someone mentioned internet rage here or in the forked thread. Its on both sides as usual, the responses are just as abrasive if not more so based on quantity.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sunderstone, post: 4427074, member: 23497"] I also found the OP slightly abrasive (even though im also not pro-4E). That said, the OP does have a valid [I]opinion[/I] concerning the "incomplete game" comment. Some of us like our D&D abit more traditional. Maybe we dont like having Dragonborne as a core race, maybe we prefer our Gnomes. Maybe we dont like the Warlock or Warlord as a core class, maybe we prefer the Druid and Bard etc. The OP stated he liked the core mechanics/rules and wanted to like the game or whatnot. Based on his post it does look like he is trying to get his version of D&D working under the new rules. To do this, it looks like he will need to buy "promised sequels" (probably at $35 a pop), so to [B]him[/B] WotC has changed the Core three books to 4 or 5 or whatever it will take to return his gaming world to what it was under the new rules. I know if I did like the 4E ruleset, this would be like giving me half a game imho as well. Id be thinking "wow now Ill have to have buy at least 4 "Core" books to bring this game to what Im used to, furthermore I might have to buy my web enhacements monthly when I used to get them free". In this I can understand the frustration. To me (again imho) it looks incomplete, as well as am attempt to get me to pay more for my game to be "recognizable" again. Im repeating this because it seems as if most people responding are looking at the tone of the OP (which I also found abrasive) rather than some of the actual content of the OP. Someone mentioned internet rage here or in the forked thread. Its on both sides as usual, the responses are just as abrasive if not more so based on quantity. [/QUOTE]

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