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Message: <blockquote data-quote="quindia" data-source="post: 4088679" data-attributes="member: 5024">Obviously I can do that, but then I'm down to six core races. I know gnomes and the like are in the MM, but they certainly won't be presented with the all of the advanced racial powers that we've heard about - at least not in the detail of those in the PHB. I also understand that druids and bards will be out eventually, but I was really only planning on buying the first three books this time. The lack of chromatic dragons, frost giants, and certain other things from the MM has me annoyed for the same reason. I know I can create them or house rule or whatever, but I don't expect to have to do such things with iconic creatures with a shiny new set right out of the box.Ruined for me is a better phrase. I have lots of complaints about the things I've seen so far, but they have mostly been addressed by others on the the forum and I really didn't want to start them in this thread. I am more interested in how some of the more radical changes will be handled by people who have long running campaigns. Honestly, I don't want to bash 4e and the "ruined" comment wasn't fair.  The fact that two players that have been in my games for twenty plus years went to XP and flat out did not like the game has an influence. I have been excited about 4e, but the more I learn, the less I like and that is disappointing. As I said, we will give it a try. If it doesn't work, I will happily go back to 3.5 and wish 4ers well.</blockquote>

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