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<blockquote data-quote="Arlough" data-source="post: 5583063" data-attributes="member: 79335"><p>I thought the whole point of the compendium was it is supposed to have the most up to date rules and rule text.</p><p>Also, I had forgotten the clarification in PHB3. Thanks for pointing that out.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I believe in the very last sentence the rule above actually states specifically that, in the case of a power of multiple types, one of which you have an immunity to, you will not deal any damage, but you will be able to execute effects of that attack. So in the example of the power that deals 20 Necrotic/Cold and the creature has <strong>Immune Cold</strong> and <strong>Resist Necrotic 5</strong>, it will take no damage at all.</p><p></p><p>Additionally, since Poison is both a damage keyword and an effect keyword [PHB1.055 - keywords], poison immunity would also eliminate any effects of the attack.</p><p></p><p>I don't like the idea that a multi-element attack, given how hard they are to come by anyway, would still deal no damage. And, I don't like one immunity stopping all damages and effects from an attack, especially the most common immunity.</p><p></p><p>So I do think that I am going to stick with a new damage keyword to replace poison damage with, as well as replacing all damage immunities with <strong>Resist All</strong> so the resistance stacking rules apply instead.</p><p></p><p>But thank you very much for finding that reference for me. I was so busy looking for the rules clarification to be in the rules updates that didn't even look in PHB2 or PHB3.<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/nervous.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":heh:" title="Nervous Laugh :heh:" data-shortname=":heh:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arlough, post: 5583063, member: 79335"] I thought the whole point of the compendium was it is supposed to have the most up to date rules and rule text. Also, I had forgotten the clarification in PHB3. Thanks for pointing that out. I believe in the very last sentence the rule above actually states specifically that, in the case of a power of multiple types, one of which you have an immunity to, you will not deal any damage, but you will be able to execute effects of that attack. So in the example of the power that deals 20 Necrotic/Cold and the creature has [B]Immune Cold[/B] and [B]Resist Necrotic 5[/B], it will take no damage at all. Additionally, since Poison is both a damage keyword and an effect keyword [PHB1.055 - keywords], poison immunity would also eliminate any effects of the attack. I don't like the idea that a multi-element attack, given how hard they are to come by anyway, would still deal no damage. And, I don't like one immunity stopping all damages and effects from an attack, especially the most common immunity. So I do think that I am going to stick with a new damage keyword to replace poison damage with, as well as replacing all damage immunities with [B]Resist All[/B] so the resistance stacking rules apply instead. But thank you very much for finding that reference for me. I was so busy looking for the rules clarification to be in the rules updates that didn't even look in PHB2 or PHB3.:heh: [/QUOTE]
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