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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Falling Icicle" data-source="post: 4182552" data-attributes="member: 17077">Alot of people have been saying that 4th edition is like WoW. However, I think it's actually alot more similar to another Blizzard game, Diablo 2. Now, before all you fanboys get yourselves in a twist, let me just say that this is not intended to be a flame 4e thread. I just find these things to be amusing, that's all.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> All of them, except for the armor tiers, are things I like. Here's some of the similarities that stuck out to me: <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/1.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":1:" title="One    :1:" data-shortname=":1:" />  Diablo 2 classes all use the same system for "skills" (character powers), whether it's Barbarian combat moves or Sorceress spells. They all use the same system, but each class's selection of skills is unique. The same goes for powers in 4e, which is the same for all classes, but every class has a unique list of powers. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/2.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":2:" title="Two    :2:" data-shortname=":2:" />  In Diablo 2, new and more powerful skills become available at specific levels: 6, 12, 18, etc. All classes share this progression. In 4e, new and more powerful powers become avaiable at specific levels. All classes share this progression. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/3.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":3:" title="Three    :3:" data-shortname=":3:" />  In Diablo 2, classes are divided into subclasses. Amazons can be "bowazons" (archers) or "javazons" (spear-throwers), for example. Each path has its own skills. While you will tend to specialize in one or the other, you are still free to pick up skills from the other paths. In 4e, classes are divided into subclasses, such as archer rangers and dual-wielding rangers. Each path has its own powers. While you will tend to specialize in one or the other, you are still free to pick up powers from the other path. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/4.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":4:" title="Four    :4:" data-shortname=":4:" />  Diablo 2 is set in three tiers of difficulty: normal, nightmare and hell. 4e has three tiers of difficulty: heroic, paragon and epic. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/5.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":5:" title="Five    :5:" data-shortname=":5:" />  Diablo 2 has three tiers of gear. Each type of armor is replaced by a new, more powerful type of the same armor at higher levels. Leather Armor, for example, is replaced by serpentskin armor and later by wyrm hide. Likewise, in 4e, armor has three tiers. Leather armor is replaced by Feyleather and then by Starleather, for example. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/6.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":6:" title="Six    :6:" data-shortname=":6:" />  Diablo 2 casters and non-casters all use the same system of resource management (mana). 4e classes all use the same form of resource management (at-will, ecounter, and daily). <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/r.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":ranged:" title="Ranged    :ranged:" data-shortname=":ranged:" />   Diablo 2 casters and non-caster classes are pretty well balanced with each other, having about the same potential to do damage. Likewise, in 4e, unlike previous editions of D&D, melee classes can equal or exceed the damage output of wizards. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/m.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":melee:" title="Melee    :melee:" data-shortname=":melee:" />  In Diablo 2, wands, staves and orbs are spellcaster weapons and give bonuses to your spells. In 4e D&D, unlike every previous edition where wands and staves are spell batteries, wands, staves and orbs are "implements," which function like weapons and give bonuses to your spells. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/bm.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":bmelee:" title="Basic Melee    :bmelee:" data-shortname=":bmelee:" />  Diablo 2 spellcasters can cast spells in armor, without any kind of "arcane spell failure." 4e spellcasters, in a dramatic departure from previous editions, can cast spells in armor without any kind of arcane spell failure. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/area.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":area:" title="Area    :area:" data-shortname=":area:" />  In Diablo 2, Sorceresses have a skill called cold mastery, which gives targets vulnerability to cold damage, causing them to take increased damage from cold spells. In 4e, the Lasting Frost feat gives targets vulnerability to your cold spells, causing them to take increased damage from cold spells.</blockquote>

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