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<blockquote data-quote="That One Guy" data-source="post: 4183420" data-attributes="member: 64672"><p><strong>This is really long for how pro-4e I am... I seriously try to pimp it to everyone.</strong></p><p></p><p>-Fear: Intelligence won't be as important.</p><p>-Fear: That there won't be a useful/non-feat way to gain more skills known (I was big into skills... possibly laughably so).</p><p>-Fear: I won't have a new group to play w/ when I move in a few months.</p><p>-Fear: Saves for low level characters versus epic characters will be okay on a 10+. (I think I'd house rule that tiers give lower tiers -3 on saves/tier. Paragon to hero -3. Epic to hero, -6... but I'd rather have it hard-wired into the rules)</p><p>-Fear: Utility powers will not be useful, varied, enough of them, or useful in noncombat situations.</p><p>-Fear: Skill Challenges won't be as fun for my players as they were for me when I played the demo.</p><p>-Fear: Feystep doesn't require some sort of line-of-sight to where one is going. I just sort of assumed one would need it... but if not... master thief, anyone?</p><p>-Fear: That if I do try DDI w/ my friends, that it won't be fun at all. I'm not looking for it to be as good as face to face... but I just don't want it to suck.</p><p>-Fear: That crafting skills will be lame.</p><p>-Fear: It'll be impossible (or so extremely difficult that I don't try) to run sessions w/ characters who are pre-heroic. (I'm a fan of flash-back and pre-game ...games)</p><p>-Fear: In a few years they'll "Give up" and just make over-powered classes who have no balance w/ the original PHB.</p><p>-Fear: That the sample characters in the books will be lame. It may seem odd, but as much as I like my tons of sweet options, there are sometimes when people don't want to spend a few hours creating level X character and just want to play. But, there wasn't anything like that for a lot of books and even then the ...'build's?... weren't what I'd suggest to my players.</p><p>-Fear: That they'll just throw half-orcs and gnomes into PHBII. Wouldn't that be lol-tastic? ...I'm sure playable gnomes and half-orcs'll show up sometime, but if they're in the PHBII it'll really feel like leftovers from the PHB... which is a fear I'm generally less scared of.</p><p>-Fear: That buffing attacks won't be able to be just buffs. Easily house-ruled to prevent a need for bag-o-rats... but still.</p><p></p><p>To clarify a fear I'm less afraid of... The reason for the PHBII. If every class is getting a chapter in the PHB, then there is really no way they could've crammed everything good in. So... it makes sense. I just hope that the PHBII is full (has a lot of useful things) and good (well thought out and organized), and isn't <em>just</em>, "What we couldn't fit into the PHB goes here!" ...which is what it felt like until I found out about the whole... chapter/class thing. Also, I'm afraid that... PHBII won't have the 'Wow, every class is a class I want to play' feeling I get w/ the PHB.</p><p></p><p>-Oh yeah Fear: That people won't go along with my firm (and acquired through some forum) belief in calling squares strides.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="That One Guy, post: 4183420, member: 64672"] [b]This is really long for how pro-4e I am... I seriously try to pimp it to everyone.[/b] -Fear: Intelligence won't be as important. -Fear: That there won't be a useful/non-feat way to gain more skills known (I was big into skills... possibly laughably so). -Fear: I won't have a new group to play w/ when I move in a few months. -Fear: Saves for low level characters versus epic characters will be okay on a 10+. (I think I'd house rule that tiers give lower tiers -3 on saves/tier. Paragon to hero -3. Epic to hero, -6... but I'd rather have it hard-wired into the rules) -Fear: Utility powers will not be useful, varied, enough of them, or useful in noncombat situations. -Fear: Skill Challenges won't be as fun for my players as they were for me when I played the demo. -Fear: Feystep doesn't require some sort of line-of-sight to where one is going. I just sort of assumed one would need it... but if not... master thief, anyone? -Fear: That if I do try DDI w/ my friends, that it won't be fun at all. I'm not looking for it to be as good as face to face... but I just don't want it to suck. -Fear: That crafting skills will be lame. -Fear: It'll be impossible (or so extremely difficult that I don't try) to run sessions w/ characters who are pre-heroic. (I'm a fan of flash-back and pre-game ...games) -Fear: In a few years they'll "Give up" and just make over-powered classes who have no balance w/ the original PHB. -Fear: That the sample characters in the books will be lame. It may seem odd, but as much as I like my tons of sweet options, there are sometimes when people don't want to spend a few hours creating level X character and just want to play. But, there wasn't anything like that for a lot of books and even then the ...'build's?... weren't what I'd suggest to my players. -Fear: That they'll just throw half-orcs and gnomes into PHBII. Wouldn't that be lol-tastic? ...I'm sure playable gnomes and half-orcs'll show up sometime, but if they're in the PHBII it'll really feel like leftovers from the PHB... which is a fear I'm generally less scared of. -Fear: That buffing attacks won't be able to be just buffs. Easily house-ruled to prevent a need for bag-o-rats... but still. To clarify a fear I'm less afraid of... The reason for the PHBII. If every class is getting a chapter in the PHB, then there is really no way they could've crammed everything good in. So... it makes sense. I just hope that the PHBII is full (has a lot of useful things) and good (well thought out and organized), and isn't [I]just[/I], "What we couldn't fit into the PHB goes here!" ...which is what it felt like until I found out about the whole... chapter/class thing. Also, I'm afraid that... PHBII won't have the 'Wow, every class is a class I want to play' feeling I get w/ the PHB. -Oh yeah Fear: That people won't go along with my firm (and acquired through some forum) belief in calling squares strides. [/QUOTE]
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