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<blockquote data-quote="DonAdam" data-source="post: 4195707" data-attributes="member: 2446"><p>Worries:</p><p></p><p>Including dragon people and demon people will make the fantasy worlds more like the Mos Eisley Cantina than Middle Earth. There's a happy point somewhere in between, but I'm pretty sure its closer to ME (except for Eberron). I guess that's less of a worry and more of an annoyance.</p><p></p><p>Fights will turn into hit-point grinds where you do the same thing round after round and/or fight after fight (I tend to think that a menu of x/encounter abilities rather than a fixed list would be a little better here).</p><p></p><p>Little annoying +1 bonuses (especially the elf and half-elf) gumming up the works.</p><p></p><p>Will it be harder to design archvillains that vary enough across multiple encounters with the PC's?</p><p></p><p>Having to wait so long for the monk and the illusionist.</p><p></p><p>Relatedly, magic will be boring (blow stuff up, blow stuff up, and blow more stuff up) until the less blow-stuff-up-ish classes come out.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Things others are worried about that I'm not:</p><p></p><p>I think it's weird to be worried about unnecessary class proliferation side by side with making classes being too intensive. I'm much happier to have making a class be a high-cost activity, because in general I think you'll see higher quality ones--not universally, but on the whole. (Economists call that an Alchian and Allen effect: the best fruit is in New York City because you have to pay a bigger up front cost for anything, so its <em>relatively</em> cheaper to just go for the good stuff. So if you're going to sit down to design a class, maybe you'll block out a week instead of an afternoon.) The more transparent math should help here too.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DonAdam, post: 4195707, member: 2446"] Worries: Including dragon people and demon people will make the fantasy worlds more like the Mos Eisley Cantina than Middle Earth. There's a happy point somewhere in between, but I'm pretty sure its closer to ME (except for Eberron). I guess that's less of a worry and more of an annoyance. Fights will turn into hit-point grinds where you do the same thing round after round and/or fight after fight (I tend to think that a menu of x/encounter abilities rather than a fixed list would be a little better here). Little annoying +1 bonuses (especially the elf and half-elf) gumming up the works. Will it be harder to design archvillains that vary enough across multiple encounters with the PC's? Having to wait so long for the monk and the illusionist. Relatedly, magic will be boring (blow stuff up, blow stuff up, and blow more stuff up) until the less blow-stuff-up-ish classes come out. Things others are worried about that I'm not: I think it's weird to be worried about unnecessary class proliferation side by side with making classes being too intensive. I'm much happier to have making a class be a high-cost activity, because in general I think you'll see higher quality ones--not universally, but on the whole. (Economists call that an Alchian and Allen effect: the best fruit is in New York City because you have to pay a bigger up front cost for anything, so its [I]relatively[/I] cheaper to just go for the good stuff. So if you're going to sit down to design a class, maybe you'll block out a week instead of an afternoon.) The more transparent math should help here too. [/QUOTE]
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