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<blockquote data-quote="Mercule" data-source="post: 4357873" data-attributes="member: 5100">So, I ran some numbers, just to see how things fell.&nbsp; I decided to see how 3.5 and 4e compare in raw &quot;spells per day&quot;.&nbsp; I'm not really a wizard player -- rogue is more my style -- so the assumptions may be a bit off.Basic assumptions:- Hit points scale differently.&nbsp; This means comparing damage output is irrelevant.&nbsp; That's why I'm comparing number of spells.3e assumptions:- Wizards start with an 18 int and max it out as possible.&nbsp; This means all stat gains go into INT and wizards attempt to gain Tomes of Clear Thought.- Corollary: INT increases +2 every four levels.&nbsp; This may not be entirely accurate, but linear scaling works well.- Epic feats are used to gain higher level slots.&nbsp; Again, not necessarily perfect, but a reasonable average.- Rings of Wizardry, feats, etc. are not counted because they represent an explicit opportunity cost in other areas that would not be reflected here.3e results:[code]Level&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Daily Spells&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; 10&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 23&nbsp; 20&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 51&nbsp; 30&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 59[/code]4e assumptions:- Encounter, utility, and at-will spells count for more than one slot each day.&nbsp; Some utility spells are daily, but this is balanced by at-wills being, well, at-will.- Corollary: Encounter, utility, and at-will spells are counted twice at heroic tiers and thrice at paragon/epic tiers.- The availability of rituals is equivalent to roughly half as many &quot;slots&quot; as the number of powers otherwise available.4e results:[code]Level&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Powers&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Ritual &quot;slots&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Effective Spells&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 9&nbsp; 10&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 9&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 24&nbsp; 20&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 14&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 44&nbsp; 30&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 17&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 51[/code]So, I'd say the 4e wizard doesn't fair that poorly.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mercule, post: 4357873, member: 5100"] So, I ran some numbers, just to see how things fell. I decided to see how 3.5 and 4e compare in raw "spells per day". I'm not really a wizard player -- rogue is more my style -- so the assumptions may be a bit off. Basic assumptions: - Hit points scale differently. This means comparing damage output is irrelevant. That's why I'm comparing number of spells. 3e assumptions: - Wizards start with an 18 int and max it out as possible. This means all stat gains go into INT and wizards attempt to gain Tomes of Clear Thought. - Corollary: INT increases +2 every four levels. This may not be entirely accurate, but linear scaling works well. - Epic feats are used to gain higher level slots. Again, not necessarily perfect, but a reasonable average. - Rings of Wizardry, feats, etc. are not counted because they represent an explicit opportunity cost in other areas that would not be reflected here. 3e results: [code] Level Daily Spells 1 2 10 23 20 51 30 59 [/code] 4e assumptions: - Encounter, utility, and at-will spells count for more than one slot each day. Some utility spells are daily, but this is balanced by at-wills being, well, at-will. - Corollary: Encounter, utility, and at-will spells are counted twice at heroic tiers and thrice at paragon/epic tiers. - The availability of rituals is equivalent to roughly half as many "slots" as the number of powers otherwise available. 4e results: [code] Level Powers Ritual "slots" Effective Spells 1 4 2 9 10 9 5 24 20 14 7 44 30 17 8 51 [/code] So, I'd say the 4e wizard doesn't fair that poorly. [/QUOTE]

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