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<blockquote data-quote="Rechan" data-source="post: 3813764" data-attributes="member: 54846"><p>Not to go all philosophical, but I think this might be more indicative of the types of people we're dealing with, then actual D&D.</p><p></p><p>There has always been, and will always be, people who are excited by and look forward to change.</p><p></p><p>There has always been, and will always be, people who are resistant to and dread change. </p><p></p><p>Taken at their extremes, neither is good (Slaadi vs. Formians?). </p><p></p><p>I don't think that the people who are excited about 4e are JUST excited about change. They would not feel the way they do if they actually felt what was happening would stop them from enjoying their games. If WotC said "HEY EVERYBODY, you guys know trolls? Those giants that regenerate unless you force-feed them fire? Well now they FART UNICORNS! And they wear clown pants! IT'S GUNNA BE AWESOME!" I honestly think every one of the people jazzed about 4e would feel the grip of fear slink into their hearts, that 4e will not be great. </p><p></p><p>I, personally, do not feel that fear. Because I do not see this happening. </p><p></p><p>Maybe I could say it's because I never sat down to roll dice until the tail end of 2e, even though I as a young boy sat in the book store marveling at the art in the Monstrous Compendium Annual, but never understanding what the text meant. I owned the MM and the PHB, but they didn't MEAN anything to me beyond what they stood for: Gaming, fun, monsters, fantasy, playing with others. It wasn't until 3e that I <em>actually got the chance</em>. So I could say "I don't have the baggage" that everyone does. I don't see anything that's "D&D" being taken away. I was never attached to the Great Wheel, I don't know the intimate details of Demogorgon's diary, or whether the Spawn of Kyuss is right or left handed. </p><p></p><p>But then, there's Piratecat and others who are oldschool gamers, who are excited just like me. </p><p></p><p>It's certainly not about suckling the teat of WotC. When 4e was announced, I was angry. Namely because I felt it was too soon for a new edition - 3.5 was only four years old. I didn't want them to come out with 4.5 or 5e six years from now. I can buy supplements fine, but I don't like having my books made obsolete. </p><p></p><p>But the more I read about 4e, the more excited I get, because they're doing things that look <em>good</em> to me. Giving Fighters weapon-focused capacities. Making wizards work all day long. Making monsters around a concept, theme, and power set, rather than HD and cookie-cutter abilities, or saying 'Oh and it casts like a 7th level sorcerer also'. I've hated how Fey were the redheaded step child locked in the cellar of 3e.</p><p></p><p>And so seeing ideas that <em>I</em> like makes Me excited.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rechan, post: 3813764, member: 54846"] Not to go all philosophical, but I think this might be more indicative of the types of people we're dealing with, then actual D&D. There has always been, and will always be, people who are excited by and look forward to change. There has always been, and will always be, people who are resistant to and dread change. Taken at their extremes, neither is good (Slaadi vs. Formians?). I don't think that the people who are excited about 4e are JUST excited about change. They would not feel the way they do if they actually felt what was happening would stop them from enjoying their games. If WotC said "HEY EVERYBODY, you guys know trolls? Those giants that regenerate unless you force-feed them fire? Well now they FART UNICORNS! And they wear clown pants! IT'S GUNNA BE AWESOME!" I honestly think every one of the people jazzed about 4e would feel the grip of fear slink into their hearts, that 4e will not be great. I, personally, do not feel that fear. Because I do not see this happening. Maybe I could say it's because I never sat down to roll dice until the tail end of 2e, even though I as a young boy sat in the book store marveling at the art in the Monstrous Compendium Annual, but never understanding what the text meant. I owned the MM and the PHB, but they didn't MEAN anything to me beyond what they stood for: Gaming, fun, monsters, fantasy, playing with others. It wasn't until 3e that I [i]actually got the chance[/i]. So I could say "I don't have the baggage" that everyone does. I don't see anything that's "D&D" being taken away. I was never attached to the Great Wheel, I don't know the intimate details of Demogorgon's diary, or whether the Spawn of Kyuss is right or left handed. But then, there's Piratecat and others who are oldschool gamers, who are excited just like me. It's certainly not about suckling the teat of WotC. When 4e was announced, I was angry. Namely because I felt it was too soon for a new edition - 3.5 was only four years old. I didn't want them to come out with 4.5 or 5e six years from now. I can buy supplements fine, but I don't like having my books made obsolete. But the more I read about 4e, the more excited I get, because they're doing things that look [i]good[/i] to me. Giving Fighters weapon-focused capacities. Making wizards work all day long. Making monsters around a concept, theme, and power set, rather than HD and cookie-cutter abilities, or saying 'Oh and it casts like a 7th level sorcerer also'. I've hated how Fey were the redheaded step child locked in the cellar of 3e. And so seeing ideas that [i]I[/i] like makes Me excited. [/QUOTE]
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