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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Primitive Screwhead" data-source="post: 3814094" data-attributes="member: 20805">Your response posits an actual debate was already in existance.As to your OP.. Optimisitic and critical review of 4e tidbits can impact on the designer's ongoing play-tests. Critisism here on this board may very well affect the final outcome of the game. I would much rather be able to critically examine 4E while that chance to change it is here.  Your OP seems to reflect a world view where there are only two, those who are interested {and therefore mindless sheep} and those who are jaded {and therefore not mindless sheep}.I submit that a number of posters on this board are both interested *and* jaded {and therefore neither mindless nor sheep... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> }In reading the 4e threads, I actually see many more nay-sayers about 4e than I do 'overly excited' people. Cautiously optimistic is, IMHO, a better description.Yes. The blind pessimist who has lost all hope and sits in despair waiting for the expected end. After all, if no-one went West... where would WoTC headquarter at?   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />[edit]One post at a time man!IMHO its condensed more like.. if we continue the current supplemental process we will lose a portion of new customers due to the weight of the rules and high 'cost' of starting the game. THere are known issues with the current rules. If we can fix these rules, streamline the system, and create a product that appeals more to the customers in our target market..we can continue being a profitable business. A large portion of our target market is repeat customers who we will lose if the new edition is not an improvement over the old edition. If we fail to upgrade and gain new gamers, we lose profitability and drop out of the market. If we fail in improving during the upgrade, we lose profitability and drop out of the market. If either of these happen, Steve Jackson Games will take over and rule the world as Friend Jackson.Well, maybe not that last part <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />So, your right. Its not completely altruistic. But its also not all 'The Man is keeping the Gamer down!'</blockquote>

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