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<blockquote data-quote="Magus Coeruleus" data-source="post: 3814226" data-attributes="member: 1704"><p>You know, when you make an original post that is blatantly insulting to some people (even if not those responding to you, either way it's unkind) and use such "clever" diction as "lemmings" and "sheep" and "fanboy" I really don't see how you can assume an intellectual "high ground" and critique people for not being substantive. You really could have made your point in the OP without getting rude, as Piratecat said. I don't think anyone here thinks you don't have a valid topic for discussion, but you did not approach it in a sufficiently respectful, level-headed manner as to then chide others for the tone of their replies. Seriously, reread your OP and ask yourself, is that the sort of language that makes someone sound completely serious, honest, and open to friendly debate?</p><p></p><p>Even though I'm not giddy over 4e and so granted not the sort of person you were specifically attacking in your OP, I'll just chime in that my interest in following development of 4e is that I recently ended 2 3.5 campaigns (one DMing, one playing) and by then I was actually sick of D&D. Especially at high levels, too many stacking bonuses to track, too many different abilities to remember even when most of them have become obsolete, too much time spent at the beginning of each session with a boring shopping session for Xmas tree ornaments (magic items). As a gamer and scientist, I am interested in how things work, and so learning about the development process and mechanics is of interest to me. It helps to be kind of burnt out on D&D to not get too wrapped up in anticipation, yet interested enough to be curious to track the previews. By the time 4e comes out, maybe I'll be ready to give D&D a try again. Maybe not. Either way, I don't understand how following developments is somehow not looking at content. Sure, you should wait until something is complete to pass final judgment, but what on earth is unusual about attending to preliminary content? Movie trailers and reviews, discussing thoughts or drafts of a paper with someone, smelling the aroma of cooking food--it's 100% natural to predict, anticipate, and seek information in advance of an event. One of the major functions of the brain is to hypothesize, predict, and anticipate. You have neurons that are specifically more responsive to cues predicting an event than the event itself. (Sorry for the neuro spew--it's what I do for a living). I don't necessarily agree that the anticipation is more important than the event in this case, but there is plenty of biological, psychological, and sociological evidence for the motivational salience of anticipation--hardly something odd or demeaning to a person's intelligence.</p><p></p><p>That said, I have to agree with a previous poster--I too am getting irritated by what to me sounds like an overly-hyped tone from WotC employees talking about the game. Sure, they may be excited and they certainly want us to be excited but jeez, they take it so far it starts to sound less than genuine to me, like they don't respect the ability of the audience to recognize coolness for themselves, or like it is not in fact cool and they have to overhype to compensate. Just give the tidbits with a measured dose of enthusiasm and leave the rest to us, I say. Ditto for trashing 3.5. Heck, even if I'd be inclined to trash it more than they do, it just feels odd to have them do it with such intense vigor. Don't overdo it, WotC. Let the ideas speak a little more for themselves!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Magus Coeruleus, post: 3814226, member: 1704"] You know, when you make an original post that is blatantly insulting to some people (even if not those responding to you, either way it's unkind) and use such "clever" diction as "lemmings" and "sheep" and "fanboy" I really don't see how you can assume an intellectual "high ground" and critique people for not being substantive. You really could have made your point in the OP without getting rude, as Piratecat said. I don't think anyone here thinks you don't have a valid topic for discussion, but you did not approach it in a sufficiently respectful, level-headed manner as to then chide others for the tone of their replies. Seriously, reread your OP and ask yourself, is that the sort of language that makes someone sound completely serious, honest, and open to friendly debate? Even though I'm not giddy over 4e and so granted not the sort of person you were specifically attacking in your OP, I'll just chime in that my interest in following development of 4e is that I recently ended 2 3.5 campaigns (one DMing, one playing) and by then I was actually sick of D&D. Especially at high levels, too many stacking bonuses to track, too many different abilities to remember even when most of them have become obsolete, too much time spent at the beginning of each session with a boring shopping session for Xmas tree ornaments (magic items). As a gamer and scientist, I am interested in how things work, and so learning about the development process and mechanics is of interest to me. It helps to be kind of burnt out on D&D to not get too wrapped up in anticipation, yet interested enough to be curious to track the previews. By the time 4e comes out, maybe I'll be ready to give D&D a try again. Maybe not. Either way, I don't understand how following developments is somehow not looking at content. Sure, you should wait until something is complete to pass final judgment, but what on earth is unusual about attending to preliminary content? Movie trailers and reviews, discussing thoughts or drafts of a paper with someone, smelling the aroma of cooking food--it's 100% natural to predict, anticipate, and seek information in advance of an event. One of the major functions of the brain is to hypothesize, predict, and anticipate. You have neurons that are specifically more responsive to cues predicting an event than the event itself. (Sorry for the neuro spew--it's what I do for a living). I don't necessarily agree that the anticipation is more important than the event in this case, but there is plenty of biological, psychological, and sociological evidence for the motivational salience of anticipation--hardly something odd or demeaning to a person's intelligence. That said, I have to agree with a previous poster--I too am getting irritated by what to me sounds like an overly-hyped tone from WotC employees talking about the game. Sure, they may be excited and they certainly want us to be excited but jeez, they take it so far it starts to sound less than genuine to me, like they don't respect the ability of the audience to recognize coolness for themselves, or like it is not in fact cool and they have to overhype to compensate. Just give the tidbits with a measured dose of enthusiasm and leave the rest to us, I say. Ditto for trashing 3.5. Heck, even if I'd be inclined to trash it more than they do, it just feels odd to have them do it with such intense vigor. Don't overdo it, WotC. Let the ideas speak a little more for themselves! [/QUOTE]
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