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<blockquote data-quote="hazel monday" data-source="post: 3814635" data-attributes="member: 56061">Ok. I hear you. The&nbsp; thing is, I'm pretty sure they do have a completed product. If they were so inclined, and if their bosses allowed it, they could explain the mechanics of the game right now. Any playtesting that they're doing at this point is just a formality. The game is written. Not that that's here or there in regards to this conversation. i just wish the designers would stop pretending that everything isn't set in stone at this point.This is what gets under my skin about the hype. They're not saying anything of substance about the game. I realize they have to treat their customers as consumers instead of human beings, I just don't like it. Of course, that's my problem and not theirs. Still, I find it irritates me.&nbsp;This is how the WOTC PR campaign seems to play out to me. And maybe this is unfair, but it's how it seems to me.WOTC: We're making a better game for you! It'll be more fun because it's streamlined for ease of play!!Customer: OK. That sounds good. How'd&nbsp; you streamline it?WOTC: By making it easier to play!!Customer: Yeah right, I get it. But HOW did you do that?WOTC: Did I mention it's Streamlined??!!!Customer: ...You're not really gonna answer any of my Questions are you?WOTC.... We got rid of Frost Giants! and Druids. Just like you asked us to!Customer: I don't remember asking for that...WOTC: I know! It's streamlined!! Isn't it great!!! And if you wait til December, we'll let you buy the ads for it in the form of a preview book!!Customer: Ok... Ok.. I get it. i'll just move along, nothing to see here.I'm glad that most folks are excited about 4E. i hope it's great. I want D&amp;D to remain a strong brand and whatnot. I just feel like I'm being played. I find it hard to get excited about a product when I feel like it's creators are talking down to me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="hazel monday, post: 3814635, member: 56061"] Ok. I hear you. The thing is, I'm pretty sure they do have a completed product. If they were so inclined, and if their bosses allowed it, they could explain the mechanics of the game right now. Any playtesting that they're doing at this point is just a formality. The game is written. Not that that's here or there in regards to this conversation. i just wish the designers would stop pretending that everything isn't set in stone at this point. This is what gets under my skin about the hype. They're not saying anything of substance about the game. I realize they have to treat their customers as consumers instead of human beings, I just don't like it. Of course, that's my problem and not theirs. Still, I find it irritates me. This is how the WOTC PR campaign seems to play out to me. And maybe this is unfair, but it's how it seems to me. WOTC: We're making a better game for you! It'll be more fun because it's streamlined for ease of play!! Customer: OK. That sounds good. How'd you streamline it? WOTC: By making it easier to play!! Customer: Yeah right, I get it. But HOW did you do that? WOTC: Did I mention it's Streamlined??!!! Customer: ...You're not really gonna answer any of my Questions are you? WOTC.... We got rid of Frost Giants! and Druids. Just like you asked us to! Customer: I don't remember asking for that... WOTC: I know! It's streamlined!! Isn't it great!!! And if you wait til December, we'll let you buy the ads for it in the form of a preview book!! Customer: Ok... Ok.. I get it. i'll just move along, nothing to see here. I'm glad that most folks are excited about 4E. i hope it's great. I want D&D to remain a strong brand and whatnot. I just feel like I'm being played. I find it hard to get excited about a product when I feel like it's creators are talking down to me. [/QUOTE]

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