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<blockquote data-quote="Olgar Shiverstone" data-source="post: 4198706" data-attributes="member: 5868">I think 4E rewards/penalizes good tactics even more than 3E (which did more than the editions before), so player and DM tactics will certainly influence this perception.And while the &quot;I'm down to at-wills, darn&quot; feeling may be valid ... just compare to 1st level of any other previous edition.&nbsp; How much variety of action did you have at first level before?&nbsp; I've seen a lot of low-level combat devolve into &quot;I roll, I miss, he rolls he misses, I roll, I miss ...&quot; until someone finally hits and ends things.&nbsp; This isn't much different, except that the start of the whiff-fest is postponed for a few rounds.&nbsp; Helps keep things in perspective.Should a player be able to execute a unique action each round of, say, a 10-round combat without having to repeat an action?&nbsp; Perhaps, perhaps not.&nbsp; I think there's certainly some expectation creep there.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Olgar Shiverstone, post: 4198706, member: 5868"] I think 4E rewards/penalizes good tactics even more than 3E (which did more than the editions before), so player and DM tactics will certainly influence this perception. And while the "I'm down to at-wills, darn" feeling may be valid ... just compare to 1st level of any other previous edition. How much variety of action did you have at first level before? I've seen a lot of low-level combat devolve into "I roll, I miss, he rolls he misses, I roll, I miss ..." until someone finally hits and ends things. This isn't much different, except that the start of the whiff-fest is postponed for a few rounds. Helps keep things in perspective. Should a player be able to execute a unique action each round of, say, a 10-round combat without having to repeat an action? Perhaps, perhaps not. I think there's certainly some expectation creep there. [/QUOTE]

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