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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 3857004" data-attributes="member: 48965">This is a good point and a fine distinction between actual usage of minis and actual usage of a grid.&nbsp; I'll definitely be thinking about the distinction some more.&nbsp; On another note, what worries me about D&amp;D 4e (as far as this discussion is concerned) is that WotC has certainly seen great profit in both their Mini sales and Dungeon Tiles sales...I would even argue these are probably more of a money maker than the actual splat books.&nbsp; I just don't want to see the roleplaying game become a device to promote these sales as opposed to the actual game.&nbsp; This was actually how I felt about the two 3.5 basic sets.&nbsp; They were, IMHO, more about getting people hooked on minis and tiles than actually giving them a good play experience. &nbsp;The&nbsp; things like rare ogres and trolls in the new set reinforce this concern in my mind.&nbsp; And yes, I know you don't have to buy actual minis, but that's not something I see a new player...without actual advice in the book (which was woefully lacking in the Star Wars saga book.) just figuring out from his/her first read through.&nbsp; &nbsp; I'm just a little wary about how far WotC is willing to go (either subtly or blatantly) to promote their minis and tiles through the medium of the D&amp;D rpg.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 3857004, member: 48965"] This is a good point and a fine distinction between actual usage of minis and actual usage of a grid. I'll definitely be thinking about the distinction some more. On another note, what worries me about D&D 4e (as far as this discussion is concerned) is that WotC has certainly seen great profit in both their Mini sales and Dungeon Tiles sales...I would even argue these are probably more of a money maker than the actual splat books. I just don't want to see the roleplaying game become a device to promote these sales as opposed to the actual game. This was actually how I felt about the two 3.5 basic sets. They were, IMHO, more about getting people hooked on minis and tiles than actually giving them a good play experience. The things like rare ogres and trolls in the new set reinforce this concern in my mind. And yes, I know you don't have to buy actual minis, but that's not something I see a new player...without actual advice in the book (which was woefully lacking in the Star Wars saga book.) just figuring out from his/her first read through. I'm just a little wary about how far WotC is willing to go (either subtly or blatantly) to promote their minis and tiles through the medium of the D&D rpg. [/QUOTE]

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