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4e MMs? Which should I get?
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<blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5278840" data-attributes="member: 78116"><p>I am still digesting the DSCC but I can comment on MM3. MM3 has really good monsters across all three tiers. It's only true "fail" with regards to monster design are Jackalweres. This is because they just have an insanely high damage combination that can one shot heroic PCs like candy (26+2d4 damage at level 3 on a coup de grace, with a level 4 creature that can inflict unconscious. Uh-huh).</p><p></p><p>Otherwise the design of MM3 monsters is excellent. There are numerous great solos in the book, Lolth, Allabah and Imix for example. The catastrophic dragons have fascinating mechanics and they are elites so can be incorporated into a wide variety of encounters very easily. Lots of "regular" monsters, especially filling in the dearth of normal monsters in epic tier (this is also why I recommend Demonomicon, which adds a lot of non-solo/non-elite epic tier monsters). Forsaken are excellent epic tier threats as are Tulgar. </p><p></p><p>Lots of fantastic mechanically orientated monsters, like Nymphs and the Oblivion Moss. The Kraken is a great "upper heroic" solo encounter that will really give PCs a run for their money and the astral Kraken is even more ferocious.</p><p></p><p>I actually cannot write enough praise for the fluff, mechanics and quality of MM3 creatures. It has one of my favourite ever minions, the Serpent of Nihal that actually completely prevents itself from being trivially one shot out of an encounter (just excellent power design, like many creatures). The epic star spawn are fantastic monsters as well and so on.</p><p></p><p>I just cannot recommend the book enough. It easily shames the previous two monster manuals in terms of awesome mechanics and design, with good quality fluff supporting all their monsters!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aegeri, post: 5278840, member: 78116"] I am still digesting the DSCC but I can comment on MM3. MM3 has really good monsters across all three tiers. It's only true "fail" with regards to monster design are Jackalweres. This is because they just have an insanely high damage combination that can one shot heroic PCs like candy (26+2d4 damage at level 3 on a coup de grace, with a level 4 creature that can inflict unconscious. Uh-huh). Otherwise the design of MM3 monsters is excellent. There are numerous great solos in the book, Lolth, Allabah and Imix for example. The catastrophic dragons have fascinating mechanics and they are elites so can be incorporated into a wide variety of encounters very easily. Lots of "regular" monsters, especially filling in the dearth of normal monsters in epic tier (this is also why I recommend Demonomicon, which adds a lot of non-solo/non-elite epic tier monsters). Forsaken are excellent epic tier threats as are Tulgar. Lots of fantastic mechanically orientated monsters, like Nymphs and the Oblivion Moss. The Kraken is a great "upper heroic" solo encounter that will really give PCs a run for their money and the astral Kraken is even more ferocious. I actually cannot write enough praise for the fluff, mechanics and quality of MM3 creatures. It has one of my favourite ever minions, the Serpent of Nihal that actually completely prevents itself from being trivially one shot out of an encounter (just excellent power design, like many creatures). The epic star spawn are fantastic monsters as well and so on. I just cannot recommend the book enough. It easily shames the previous two monster manuals in terms of awesome mechanics and design, with good quality fluff supporting all their monsters! [/QUOTE]
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