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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pawsplay" data-source="post: 4700854" data-attributes="member: 15538">I have a hard time imagining a group of characters in a SF universe steadily upgrading their equipment over time. I mean, you don't see Commander Worf in Velin Battle Armor, or Troy with a psi-enhancing helmet array, etc. Epic destinies could work in a setting where there is a definable endpoint, like for instance, a manipulator of Red Truth becoming a demi-godlike being or an intelligent AI becoming a microverse of its own creation. I have a harder time seeing an epic destiny in something like Starship Troopers, the X-Files, or Ghost Dog. While those statements are independently true, there is a rhetorical slip there. What I meant in the case of 4e was, "This is what there are rules for," not simply, "There is a lot of this." 3e had rules for crafting, social interaction, noncombat roles, and so forth. 4e does not really have a place for a Negotiator or the Windfall feat or Skill Focus (Craft:Mechanical). You could probably imitate the structures, but the result would be rather different, with characters "summoning" contacts or buffing equipment to represent their technical expertise or interaction skills causing opponents to hesitate or to take a specific move action or whatever. You can see some of this in Star Wars Saga, which yet has perserved some of the structures of 3e in terms of knowledge skills, interaction abilities, and so forth. Even there, the system strains quite a bit.</blockquote>

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