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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AllisterH" data-source="post: 4105013" data-attributes="member: 51325">I tend to disagree. From playing around with the monsters in 4E with the playtest characters, they really do play differently. Moreso than simply adding a feat to the 3E version.Example:Gnoll Claw Fighter Level 6 Skirmisher * XP 250Medium Natural HumanoidInitiative: +7Senses: Perception +6; low-light visionHP 70; Bloodied 35AC 20; Fortitude 18, Reflex 16, Will 15Speed 8; see also mobile melee attackM Claw (standard; at-will)+11 vs. AC; 1d6 + 4 damage, or 1d6 + 6 while bloodied; see also pack attack belowM Clawing Charge (standard, when this creature charges; at-will)The gnoll claw fighter makes two claw attacks against a single target when it charges.M Mobile Melee Attack (standard; at-will)The gnoll claw fighter can move up to 4 squares and make one melee basic attack at any point during that movement. The gnoll doesn't provoke opportunity attacks when moving away from the target of its attack.Pack AttackThe gnoll claw fighter deals an extra 5 damage on melee attacks against an enemy that has two or more of the gnoll claw fighter's allies adjacent to it.Alignment: Chaotic evil Languages: Abyssal, CommonSkills: Intimidate +3Str 19 (+7) Con 14 (+5) Dex 15 (+5) Int 9 (+2) Wis 12 (+4) Cha 7 (-1) Equipment: leather armorVSGnoll Marauder Level 6 BruteMedium natural humanoid XP 250Initiative +5 Senses Perception +7, low light visionHP 84; Bloodied 42AC 18; Fortitude 18, Reflex 15, Will 15Speed 7m Spear (standard; at-will) * Weapon+10 vs AC; 1d8+6 damage or 1d8+8 while bloodied; see alsoquick bite and pack attackM Quick Bite (free; at-will)After the gnoll marauder makes a successful melee attackagainst a bloodied enemy, it takes a bite attack against the sametarget: +7 vs AC; 1d6+2 damage or 1d6+4 damage while bloodied.Pack AttackThe gnoll marauder deals an extra 5 damage on melee attacksagainst an enemy that has two or more of the marauder's alliesadjacent to it.Alignment Chaotic Evil Languages Abyssal, CommonSkills Intimidate +3, Stealth +10Str 20 (+8) Dex 14 (+5) Wis 14 (+5)Con 14 (+5) Int 9 (+2) Cha 7 (+3)These are both Gnolls yet in play, they act differently moreso than simply giving one gnoll a bow and another gnoll a sword. Its more than just adding a feat which I agree anyone could do, but actually rejigging the monster to best utilize that feat which is what I tended to have a problem with or simply forget in 3.x. The gnoll in 3.x only has a DEX of 10 meaning if I just ignore DEX requirements for feats, the fact that the std creature is designed for one style of combat, it is really hard to change it for a differnt style.I like this. I like that the common monsters (the ones you meet multiples of) have different members of their society so my players always will have a different feel for combat.</blockquote>

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