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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AllisterH" data-source="post: 4105884" data-attributes="member: 51325">I still have to disagree. Your point is that it is better to stat out kobold, orc, gnoll and goblins than to have variations of kobold since the former is more unique.Let's look at the 5 varieties of kobolds we are going to get.<a href="http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=997711&page=2" target="_blank">Kobold (Wyrmpriest, Skirmisher, Dragon Shield, Slinger, Minion)</a>and compare it to what we have had previously (not only 3.x but 1E/2E as well).<a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/goblin.htm" target="_blank">Goblin</a><a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/kobold.htm" target="_blank">Kobold</a><a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/orc.htm" target="_blank">Orc</a><a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/gnoll.htm" target="_blank">Gnoll</a>I'm honestly not seeing how you consider the latter 4 UNIQUE creatures yet the kobolds as simply "monster + class". Someone earlier in the thread mentioned that instead of fighting 100 kobolds, you fight 20 of each type. You know what? That's still better than fighting 25 each of  goblins/kobolds/orcs/gnolls in previous editions since they ARE the same creatures ("yeah, weapon choice makes a big difference, NOT"). With the combination of signature race abilities and roles, one can do 20 kobold encounters and they'll play differently straight out of the box whereas the so-called unique monsters of previous editions, an orc encounter is pretty much the exact same as a gnoll encounter which is the same as a goblin encounter which is the same as a kobold encounter.The reason why MMIV was so hated that many of the levelled creatures simply sucked in their role AND they had extraneous information that you did not need. Siimply put, a DM could've done a better job. A kobold Wyrmpriest has all the information needed for its role and it is optimized for that role whereas simply slapping a class level on the standard kobold may not result in the same effect.Contrast with simply adding a wizard level to a kobold (you have to change stats around, add feats, choose appropriate class abilities)Seriously, I'm definitely in favour of the role breakdown that the 4E MM is going to have.</blockquote>

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