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<blockquote data-quote="Pinotage" data-source="post: 4107870" data-attributes="member: 15194"><p>That's true. Not technically. Although mechanically it boils down to exactly the same thing. If you assume all kobolds of this kind only take those feats, then 'if it looks and quacks like a duck, it is a duck'. If you view the 4e kobold and a 3e version as black boxes, they're identical. You could just as easily say something like 'Kobold racial training means most kobolds perfer to take feats like Dragon Shield and Swarm Attack'. On the other hand, given that only the Kobold Dragon Shield can take those particular abilities, is it really racial either? I don't think the reason these kobolds are different is only by virtue of race - it's by and large trained abilities specific to the role of the kobold in question.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You could still tie the mark into the granted ability of a feat. Also, if all kobolds are jumpy and flinchy by nature, why do only dragon shield kobolds have the dragon shield ability? It's not a racial ability then, is it?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Something akin to that, yes. I was really thinking an entirely new feat that granted that exact same benefit.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, Incite Faith is just a spell. You add a level of cleric, give it a new spell, and you have the Wyrmpriest. The archer's Fragile Confidence is just a feat - something like 'If this creature is attacked, it gains +4 bonus on ranged attacks with a shortbow'. Since I don't know what 'attacked' means in 4e, I'm not sure if this means once you're damaged or if somebody's taken a swipe that hit or just missed. The abilities of the kobolds are certainly mostly new, but they're can still be represented as just feats or spells tied to class levels.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I suspected as much.</p><p></p><p>Pinotage</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pinotage, post: 4107870, member: 15194"] That's true. Not technically. Although mechanically it boils down to exactly the same thing. If you assume all kobolds of this kind only take those feats, then 'if it looks and quacks like a duck, it is a duck'. If you view the 4e kobold and a 3e version as black boxes, they're identical. You could just as easily say something like 'Kobold racial training means most kobolds perfer to take feats like Dragon Shield and Swarm Attack'. On the other hand, given that only the Kobold Dragon Shield can take those particular abilities, is it really racial either? I don't think the reason these kobolds are different is only by virtue of race - it's by and large trained abilities specific to the role of the kobold in question. You could still tie the mark into the granted ability of a feat. Also, if all kobolds are jumpy and flinchy by nature, why do only dragon shield kobolds have the dragon shield ability? It's not a racial ability then, is it? Something akin to that, yes. I was really thinking an entirely new feat that granted that exact same benefit. Well, Incite Faith is just a spell. You add a level of cleric, give it a new spell, and you have the Wyrmpriest. The archer's Fragile Confidence is just a feat - something like 'If this creature is attacked, it gains +4 bonus on ranged attacks with a shortbow'. Since I don't know what 'attacked' means in 4e, I'm not sure if this means once you're damaged or if somebody's taken a swipe that hit or just missed. The abilities of the kobolds are certainly mostly new, but they're can still be represented as just feats or spells tied to class levels. I suspected as much. Pinotage [/QUOTE]
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