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<blockquote data-quote="tomtill" data-source="post: 4164223" data-attributes="member: 37444"><p>As written, I don't get it.</p><p></p><p>The succubus gets a meat shield, but so does her meat shield. If any of her allies attack the meat shield, then she loses the meat shield. So, the party can't attack the succubus, but the bad guys can't attack the meat shield. So, the meat shield is free to attack the bad guys essentially using the succubus as a shield. Or, the bad guys say screw you to the succubus, and break her charm. So, as written, it's a great power if she's alone, not so good if she has allies.</p><p></p><p>Can this be right?</p><p></p><p>Just forget the succubus for a minute.</p><p></p><p>WotC released an excerpt from the 4e MM, presumably to generate excitement about the new edition. There can be no doubt that, as written, the Charming Kiss power is ambiguous. The second paragraph states that the effect can be sustained by a once a day kissing. What effect? Interposing himself? Why is he still there? I could think of some reasons, I suppose, but all in all it's pretty ambiguous exactly what effect Charming Kiss has. Point is, why is WotC showcasing 4e MM with such ambiguous material? If there is clarifying material in the MM, the least WotC could do is to paraphrase it here.</p><p></p><p>Can this be right?</p><p></p><p>What possible reason could WotC have for purposefully showcasing 4e with such ambiguous material?</p><p></p><p>As a 4e fanboy, this embarrasses me. I am shamed. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/nervous.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":heh:" title="Nervous Laugh :heh:" data-shortname=":heh:" /> <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/nervous.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":heh:" title="Nervous Laugh :heh:" data-shortname=":heh:" /> <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/nervous.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":heh:" title="Nervous Laugh :heh:" data-shortname=":heh:" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p>OK, WotC, I forgive you. Give us more! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tomtill, post: 4164223, member: 37444"] As written, I don't get it. The succubus gets a meat shield, but so does her meat shield. If any of her allies attack the meat shield, then she loses the meat shield. So, the party can't attack the succubus, but the bad guys can't attack the meat shield. So, the meat shield is free to attack the bad guys essentially using the succubus as a shield. Or, the bad guys say screw you to the succubus, and break her charm. So, as written, it's a great power if she's alone, not so good if she has allies. Can this be right? Just forget the succubus for a minute. WotC released an excerpt from the 4e MM, presumably to generate excitement about the new edition. There can be no doubt that, as written, the Charming Kiss power is ambiguous. The second paragraph states that the effect can be sustained by a once a day kissing. What effect? Interposing himself? Why is he still there? I could think of some reasons, I suppose, but all in all it's pretty ambiguous exactly what effect Charming Kiss has. Point is, why is WotC showcasing 4e MM with such ambiguous material? If there is clarifying material in the MM, the least WotC could do is to paraphrase it here. Can this be right? What possible reason could WotC have for purposefully showcasing 4e with such ambiguous material? As a 4e fanboy, this embarrasses me. I am shamed. :heh: :heh: :heh: OK, WotC, I forgive you. Give us more! :) [/QUOTE]
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