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<blockquote data-quote="AllisterH" data-source="post: 4165159" data-attributes="member: 51325"><p>I don't think Dominate will follow the DDM route. I PRAY it doesn't go the DDM route because using it on a PC would just be mean and I rather use Charming Kiss.</p><p></p><p>Dominate in DDM basically gives you control over a figure for a standard action said figure can use. Naturally, in the DDM game, you basically use the best ability but here's where it is different. </p><p></p><p>THe best power generally won't be a one time deal. There's pretty much no creature with a "Once a day" power.</p><p></p><p>If dominate works a la the DDM/3E version, the best tactic for the succubus isn't to get the enemy to walk towards her. It's to get the enemy to use their DAILY against their own allies.</p><p></p><p>Technically, you could Dominate a wizard/cleric and do the same thing in previous editions and have them use their most powerful spell but in 1e/2e, by the time you got Dominate, the PCs saving throws were so low and in 3E, WILL is usually a spellcaster's best save so that spellcasters never really had that fear. Conversely, fighters didn't have an single-use power and thus even if they did get dominated, they didn't lose any resources.</p><p></p><p>Now? With both the new attacks vs defenses AND the introduction of limited resources for fighters, Dominate is just plain mean. That might be one of the reasons why it is limited to a one round effect (the other is probably to keep the player at the table interested since she knows that when her turn comes up on the initiative count, she has control over her character).</p><p></p><p>Proper Succubus Tactic:</p><p>Succubus dominates PC, PC uses DAILY against party, Dominate ends</p><p>Formerly Dominated PC can now either move out of range or attack the succubus.</p><p>Succubus dominates PC again and uses encounter power against party.</p><p></p><p>Which is why I doubt dominate is as mean as before.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AllisterH, post: 4165159, member: 51325"] I don't think Dominate will follow the DDM route. I PRAY it doesn't go the DDM route because using it on a PC would just be mean and I rather use Charming Kiss. Dominate in DDM basically gives you control over a figure for a standard action said figure can use. Naturally, in the DDM game, you basically use the best ability but here's where it is different. THe best power generally won't be a one time deal. There's pretty much no creature with a "Once a day" power. If dominate works a la the DDM/3E version, the best tactic for the succubus isn't to get the enemy to walk towards her. It's to get the enemy to use their DAILY against their own allies. Technically, you could Dominate a wizard/cleric and do the same thing in previous editions and have them use their most powerful spell but in 1e/2e, by the time you got Dominate, the PCs saving throws were so low and in 3E, WILL is usually a spellcaster's best save so that spellcasters never really had that fear. Conversely, fighters didn't have an single-use power and thus even if they did get dominated, they didn't lose any resources. Now? With both the new attacks vs defenses AND the introduction of limited resources for fighters, Dominate is just plain mean. That might be one of the reasons why it is limited to a one round effect (the other is probably to keep the player at the table interested since she knows that when her turn comes up on the initiative count, she has control over her character). Proper Succubus Tactic: Succubus dominates PC, PC uses DAILY against party, Dominate ends Formerly Dominated PC can now either move out of range or attack the succubus. Succubus dominates PC again and uses encounter power against party. Which is why I doubt dominate is as mean as before. [/QUOTE]
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