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<blockquote data-quote="GoodKingJayIII" data-source="post: 4290023" data-attributes="member: 13804">3e's Epic levels were tacked onto the original system, and can't really be compared to 4e's.&nbsp; Better to compare a 20th level 3e to a 30th level 4e.&nbsp; And even then, I wouldn't bother to make such a comparison because the systems are very different.In 3e, yes once character can do everything (eventually).&nbsp; Particularly, there is one type of character that becomes important:&nbsp; spellcasters.&nbsp; The outcome of this is that you have a character that can &quot;do it all&quot; which a) makes specialized character classes like the rogue and fighter unimportant and b) led to 15-20 minute turns for a single character, as the player plots out all the correct spells and effects to use.&nbsp; This is a problem I encountered with the system, and I played to a maximum of 15th or 16th level... these issues were already starting to develop, and I had yet to reach the pinnacle.So can one character do everything in 4th edition?&nbsp; Probably not.&nbsp; But the system doesn't seem to be built that way either.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GoodKingJayIII, post: 4290023, member: 13804"] 3e's Epic levels were tacked onto the original system, and can't really be compared to 4e's. Better to compare a 20th level 3e to a 30th level 4e. And even then, I wouldn't bother to make such a comparison because the systems are very different. In 3e, yes once character can do everything (eventually). Particularly, there is one type of character that becomes important: spellcasters. The outcome of this is that you have a character that can "do it all" which a) makes specialized character classes like the rogue and fighter unimportant and b) led to 15-20 minute turns for a single character, as the player plots out all the correct spells and effects to use. This is a problem I encountered with the system, and I played to a maximum of 15th or 16th level... these issues were already starting to develop, and I had yet to reach the pinnacle. So can one character do everything in 4th edition? Probably not. But the system doesn't seem to be built that way either. [/QUOTE]

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